How is 10th edition?

[grubblenmash]

Hello Hivemind,

I started back in 8th and played through 9th but mainly have been painting and building out my GSC since 10th dropped. How has 10th felt? Are games easier to run? It’s been great to see the growth of popularity over the past few years!

[hivefleetkerrigan]

10e is ok.

Pros:
Games are easier to run. Shuffle a deck and go
There's less strategem gotchas
Universal rules are a major plus
GWs app is finally really good
Less gaming if melee (you HAVE to pile in/consolidate base to base if possible)
Leaders attach to units so less buffing/points issues

Cons:
Shooting is insanely lethal (less AP but more weapons strength)
Battle shock is mostly pointless (not enough differentiation for leadership so most things pass)
Leaders attaching to units leads to weird toughness/rules interaction
No points for equipment means oddities in that certain things are auto takes

Codex drops are weird in that they're either over powered or under powered and not much in between, so it feels like there's an A and B team of writers. GW is writing rules to the game 9+ months ago so they're over nerfing or buffing armies. Codexes need adjustment day 1 in order to feel valid in the game.

It's ok, but it almost feels like it's lost some of the soul from 8e. It feels like it's going to an e sports feel

[piersonsmuppet]

Games are much easier to run and there is less layered unit/stratagem combos compared to 8/9E. Some people dislike the reduced complexity, durability, and lethality from the latter point, but it’s nice to not have to memorize other codices to avoid gotchas blowing up your army.

[grubblenmash]

Thanks for the feedback all. What are your thoughts on the new models? I noticed that Genestealers are running in 10s now and are not troops/battleline and they’re pushing the bases to 32mm?

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jul 29, 2024 20:39:23 GMT grubblenmash said:

Thanks for the feedback all. What are your thoughts on the new models? I noticed that Genestealers are running in 10s now and are not troops/battleline and they’re pushing the bases to 32mm?

For tyranids, the new models look amazing. They're bigger (gaunts to 28s, stealers to 32s). They lack a lot of the issues with stability and fragility of the old sculpts. If you need more, get the new models. If you don't, I wouldnt upgrade due to cost.

For rules, it depends upon the model and GW will be doing routine balancing so things could change in 2 months

[grubblenmash]

Jul 30, 2024 11:31:29 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Jul 29, 2024 20:39:23 GMT grubblenmash said:

Thanks for the feedback all. What are your thoughts on the new models? I noticed that Genestealers are running in 10s now and are not troops/battleline and they’re pushing the bases to 32mm?

For tyranids, the new models look amazing. They're bigger (gaunts to 28s, stealers to 32s). They lack a lot of the issues with stability and fragility of the old sculpts. If you need more, get the new models. If you don't, I wouldnt upgrade due to cost.

For rules, it depends upon the model and GW will be doing routine balancing so things could change in 2 months

I’m pretty set on models but might look into snaggin a Norn beasty. Classic GW always switchin it up.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jul 30, 2024 14:59:20 GMT grubblenmash said:

Jul 30, 2024 11:31:29 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

For tyranids, the new models look amazing. They're bigger (gaunts to 28s, stealers to 32s). They lack a lot of the issues with stability and fragility of the old sculpts. If you need more, get the new models. If you don't, I wouldnt upgrade due to cost.

For rules, it depends upon the model and GW will be doing routine balancing so things could change in 2 months

I’m pretty set on models but might look into snaggin a Norn beasty. Classic GW always switchin it up.

Norn is glorious. Watch out as the tail join is weird and mine has gaps

[No One]

hivefleetkerrigan said:

Less gaming if melee (you HAVE to pile in/consolidate base to base if possible)

The fact that you can order to stop it often just means that it's even fiddlier to accomplish, rather than doesn't happen, so I wouldn't exactly call it a pro.

Codex drops are weird in that they're either over powered or under powered and not much in between, so it feels like there's an A and B team of writers. GW is writing rules to the game 9+ months ago so they're over nerfing or buffing armies. Codexes need adjustment day 1 in order to feel valid in the game.

When has this not been the case? Honestly I think this is the best GW's ever been about this: Codex is often just more flavour/options rather than straight power creep, and they're actually dropping Day 1 adjustments, rather than making the same (or worse) mistakes and leaving things for months. (NB: This isn't to say they don't miss the mark though, see Custodes, arguably GSC/sisters)

[piersonsmuppet]

Yea, charge and pile-in moves definitely feel are more gamey than 9E imo. Most newer players brains break when you use a few models in a charging unit move block your other models in the unit to prevent BtB during a charge move. They explode if you also use coherency rules to stop a few more BtB moves.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Aug 1, 2024 11:30:58 GMT No One said:

hivefleetkerrigan said:

Less gaming if melee (you HAVE to pile in/consolidate base to base if possible)

The fact that you can order to stop it often just means that it's even fiddlier to accomplish, rather than doesn't happen, so I wouldn't exactly call it a pro.

Codex drops are weird in that they're either over powered or under powered and not much in between, so it feels like there's an A and B team of writers. GW is writing rules to the game 9+ months ago so they're over nerfing or buffing armies. Codexes need adjustment day 1 in order to feel valid in the game.

When has this not been the case? Honestly I think this is the best GW's ever been about this: Codex is often just more flavour/options rather than straight power creep, and they're actually dropping Day 1 adjustments, rather than making the same (or worse) mistakes and leaving things for months. (NB: This isn't to say they don't miss the mark though, see Custodes, arguably GSC/sisters)

I'm looking at the codexes from the perspective of wild swings in what's coming out on the same release day: orks vs custodes and sisters vs GSC. I know necrons vs ad mech was a massive disparity too. I don't recall such a huge disparity within a similar release window from 8e/9e, just power creep.

The codexes do feel thematic, but I felt that the prior editions sub factions felt thematic as well.

[piersonsmuppet]

9E was pretty swingy for the first year. SW to Necron to DG for example (I think the one after DG was terrible too).