Fixed or Tactical missions?

[shadowfinder]

Which is better Fixed or Tactical mission with tyranids now. Both are I feel good options depending on the match up.


Been playing nothing but Tactical mission with the old mission set.

The new mission seems to have a few fixed missions that I feel in the Vanguard detachment would work well.


What do you all think with the new missions sets.

[piersonsmuppet]

I think Tactical is generally the way to go. The BEL and Lokhust combo is just not really feasible to score T1 anymore with the change to actions and the Neuronode nerf. Engage looks better than either on some deployments, and much worse on others.

If you really want fixed in Vanguard, I think you have to run 2-3 Trygons and accept that 170 pts might only score 6VP. The other unit for BEL will need to come from a Biovore or just your fast MSU brawlers.

[shadowfinder]

Jun 29, 2024 16:11:08 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

I think Tactical is generally the way to go. The BEL and Lokhust combo is just not really feasible to score T1 anymore with the change to actions and the Neuronode nerf. Engage looks better than either on some deployments, and much worse on others.

If you really want fixed in Vanguard, I think you have to run 2-3 Trygons and accept that 170 pts might only score 6VP. The other unit for BEL will need to come from a Biovore or just your fast MSU brawlers.

With something like this? Fast with up and down ability.
With the Biovore and the trygons dropping stuff in and the speed of the lone Op's and vonryan's.


+++ FoxtrotIn the Darkest Shadow's (Warhammer 40,000 10th Edition) [2,000pts] +++

Detachment: Vanguard Onslaught



Deathleaper: Warlord

Broodlord: Chameleonic

Neurotyrant

+ Infantry +

Biovores:

10x Genestealer:
Lictor
Neurolictor
6x Von Ryan's Leaper
6x Von Ryan's Leaper
6x Zoanthrope

+ Monster +

Exocrine
Haruspex
Norn Emissary
Trygon
Trygon

[piersonsmuppet]

Something like that yea. I don’t think the Norn or VRL blocks are good choices for this style list. SL is better than a Norn now imo, that CP tax bubble is pretty impactful and fixed lists will appreciate the CP/turn. 5-man GS units are about as punchy as 6 VRLs for half the points, I think running two units for the price of one is hard to pass up. Speed and pinning an opponent in for a few turns doesn’t win you games like it did in Leviathan.

[shadowfinder]

Jul 8, 2024 22:10:12 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Something like that yea. I don’t think the Norn or VRL blocks are good choices for this style list. SL is better than a Norn now imo, that CP tax bubble is pretty impactful and fixed lists will appreciate the CP/turn. 5-man GS units are about as punchy as 6 VRLs for half the points, I think running two units for the price of one is hard to pass up. Speed and pinning an opponent in for a few turns doesn’t win you games like it did in Leviathan.

I been looking at the Flyrant or the SL to replace the Norn in this list. Both have positive effects in the list.

As for VRL and GS I need to see the math on them now.

GS have less str and less attacks. They do have more wounds and reroll 1's. The GS 5++ is nice.
the 4+ save on the VRL is nicer in cover 3+. vs AP-0


3 von vs 5 GS can be more kill more with the -2ap. But 6 von Ryans easily out kills 5 GS.

VRL get a lot of abilities that are better than GS. Scout is nice. But infiltrate trumps scout in them meta. Stopping scout completely can be game changing.

In Vanguard you can get +1 to hit which makes VRL hit the same amount at GS.

With the new str bonus VRL would most t10 tanks on 5 now.

GS str is really good.

Warriors, GS, VRL all cost the same and bring something good to the table.

Warriors and GS both being AP -2 makes them very killy no doute. I think warriors win for the job of killing things. In Vanguard with prime.