Rippers vs Canoptek Scarab Swarms

[gauntlet]

On a different thread I wanted to see some points change and unit size changes for Rippers.
Got me to thinking...

Rippers are 20 pts per base
Scarabs are 13 pts per base

for -7 pts

you lose
deep strike
-1S on melee.

swap pistols for lethal hits

but gain
+2A
+3 movement
fly
deadly demise
self destruct = 0CP grenade stratagem.
larger units of 6 allow more doses of self destruct.
Reanimation Protocols

Comparing, are these two units fairly costed?

[gauntlet]

I feel the +2A and lethal hits, is a synergistic boon to a nuisance unit, with low strength.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Honestly not sure. Sometimes I think that comparing unit costs between factions is madness as the points are drastically different for roughly the same thing.

[piersonsmuppet]

They are both just secondary scorers, rippers are equally capable at scoring secondaries for half the points. Offensive stats don’t matter when sitting in a corner or performing actions.

[creatureboi]

I think deep strike actually has a huge impact and is the main reason behind the points difference. Who uses these swarms for anything other than secondary objectives? I’ve been playing with Necrons a lot recently and using scarabs for exactly that but without deep strike they have to find some other way of getting past enemy lines to deployment zones/back corners and every time they die to flamer overwatch.

[gauntlet]

I saw this on a battle report.

(from memory)
39 point of Scarabs vs 80 points Neurolictor.

3 scarabs on objective.
The neurolictor charges in.
The first scarab explodes doing 2 mortal wounds on lictor
The lictor puts a couple of wounds on 2nd scarab.
Scarab attacks wound lictor.

Next turn.
The 2nd scarab explodes doing 2 mortal woulds on lictor
The the lictor puts some wounds on 3rd scarab.
The 3rd scarab attacks kill the lictor.

I was not paying much attention to battle report, details maybe wrong but basic fact of 3 scarabs outfighting the lictor is true. I will go and get the details and post the web link.

[gauntlet]

I might be mistaken, trying to look at the battle more closely. I think the Neurolictor ran away, in the face of terrifying scarabs.

[gauntlet]

Here is the link
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOXmI98H4mk

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