Using Gargoyles

[bugsy]

Hi
How do you use gargoyles? One way I use them is to deepstrike in and steal objectives. What other ways work well for you? Grabbing a side objective turn one? Move blocking?

[hivefleetkerrigan]

No idea unfortunately. I sold my gargoyles prior to 10e as I had never played them nor painted them. I'm eager to learn what others have to say tho.

[nidzy]

Mar 11, 2024 5:14:16 GMT bugsy said:

Hi
How do you use gargoyles? One way I use them is to deepstrike in and steal objectives. What other ways work well for you? Grabbing a side objective turn one? Move blocking?

I think you mostly have it right here. If I have one or two squads it’s usually to snag an objective the opponent thought was safe. They are also good move blockers and are often doing both things at once.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Mar 11, 2024 17:51:53 GMT nidzy said:

Mar 11, 2024 5:14:16 GMT bugsy said:

Hi
How do you use gargoyles? One way I use them is to deepstrike in and steal objectives. What other ways work well for you? Grabbing a side objective turn one? Move blocking?

I think you mostly have it right here. If I have one or two squads it’s usually to snag an objective the opponent thought was safe. They are also good move blockers and are often doing both things at once.

How does the move block work? Couldn't they just be charged, killed, with a consolidate onto another objective?

[trashcan01]

Yeah, but ideally you move block the opponent more then 4" from the objective.
Gargoyles are SO friggin fast. 12" move + D6" Advance + 6" after shoot, average of 21" distance.

If you park them just outside of 1" of the opponent and spread them so that the opponents models can't go around the gargoyles, he will then charge 1", kill them and consolidate 3", totalling in 4" movement.

Gargoyles aren't there to hold objectives, but to steal them. Yes they will die and the opponent will have the objective back during his turn, but in his command phase he won't score primaries. On rare occasions you'll see gargoyles staying a turn or two on the objective. Best case scenario few of them survive, which is enough to score some secondaries.

[mattblowers]

I run 2 units in every list. Their ability to run, shoot, run is an incredible ability. I typically hold one in reserves and the other starts on the table. Their movement is what makes them special. Well, that and 2 OC. They move D6+12" in the movement and phase and then another 6" in the shooting phase. This is what makes them a great unit. That's 19-24" of movement. Insane. Oh, and they deepstrike and can move 6" after (in the shooting phase) that so they are incredibly hard to zone out. They are always an extreme headache for my opponent. Two units. In every list. That's my starting point.

[gigasnail]

Gargoyles have JSJ now? That's baller as hell.

[bugsy]

What is JSJ?

[killercroc]

Mar 12, 2024 19:46:54 GMT bugsy said:

What is JSJ?

Jump-Shoot-Jump

Old phrase from back from 5th ed where jet pack units could move 6", shoot, then move another 6"

[purestrain]

Mar 12, 2024 11:34:38 GMT trashcan01 said:

Yeah, but ideally you move block the opponent more then 4" from the objective.
Gargoyles are SO friggin fast. 12" move + D6" Advance + 6" after shoot, average of 21" distance.

If you park them just outside of 1" of the opponent and spread them so that the opponents models can't go around the gargoyles, he will then charge 1", kill them and consolidate 3", totalling in 4" movement.

Gargoyles aren't there to hold objectives, but to steal them. Yes they will die and the opponent will have the objective back during his turn, but in his command phase he won't score primaries. On rare occasions you'll see gargoyles staying a turn or two on the objective. Best case scenario few of them survive, which is enough to score some secondaries.

Remeber folks, units CANNOT consolidate if they cannot do either of these two things.

1. Make a 3" consolidate into an enemy unit.
2. Make a 3" consolidate into an objective.


If you can force them 4" away from their obj, or even 3.1, they cannot move at all if they wipe the bats.

For clarities sake, in melee.

[creatureboi]

I like to hold a squad of them in reserve and deep strike them into the enemy deployment zone to ambush lone operative characters or steal poorly defended objectives. Other than that they’re mostly suicide units for slowing down the enemy or screening them out to prevent them getting within 12” of my lictors who are scoring secondaries

[bugsy]

Is it worth it to bring back lost gargoyles in invasion fleet or do we actually want them to die while move blocking?

[trashcan01]

Mar 19, 2024 21:36:21 GMT bugsy said:

Is it worth it to bring back lost gargoyles in invasion fleet or do we actually want them to die while move blocking?

If you have CP to throw around, why not. If they are in Synapse maybe. Depends on the situation. 
Smaller units are easier to hide and can still score easily. Big units cover more ground for move blocking and have more total Objective Control.