5th ed Zonethromp Warp Blast and Lance rules ( I know old)

[lod]

Hi All 

just recently had a game of 5th ed and I want to make sure I got the rules correct, is the Warp Lance and Blast auto hit after the psychic test or do you still need to roll to hit?

Thanks

[infornography]

You still have to roll to hit. Psyker attack powers in 5th were high risk high reward kinds of things.
You had to roll the psyker test, which could hurt the psyker if things go too badly or too well.
You had to roll to hit.
You had to roll to wound.
and the enemy got to roll to save and maybe also roll to feel no pain.

Basically you had one more chance to fail than a gun did, but the effect was often more powerful than a gun that a unit of that type would carry.

[yoritomo]

Witchfire powers still need to roll to hit. Blessings and maldictions succeed on just the test.

Check to see if warp blast and warp lance are witchfire powers. I’m pretty sure they are, but double check just to be certain. If they are then you will need to roll to hit.

Also remember that warp blast is a blast weapon. So blast weapon (i.e. scatter) rules apply.

[No One]

yoritomo said:

Witchfire powers still need to roll to hit. Blessings and maldictions succeed on just the test.

Pretty sure the types were 6th.

[infornography]

Oct 3, 2023 4:41:50 GMT No One said:

yoritomo said:

Witchfire powers still need to roll to hit. Blessings and maldictions succeed on just the test.

Pretty sure the types were 6th.

They were. Though I want to say Nova was a keyword, or it might have just been aura that was used for some things.

No witchfire in 5th ed.
If it had a weapon profile, you fired it like a weapon upon a successful psyker test. If it didn't have a weapon profile, it just happened on a successful psyker test. Though some units had the ability to block psyker abilities within a specified range, so there is that to consider.

Though if it was a template attack, there was no hit roll, you just used the cone template and if it was a blast weapon you replaced the hit roll with the scatter dice and blast template but reduced the distance on the scatter dice by your BS. And Nova or Aura or whatever it was called on Doom of Malantai didn't have a hit roll either, it just affected everything within the specified radius. My memory on that is a bit foggy though so you are better off relying on what it says in the keywords of the ability and rulebook.

5th was a very different game than what we have now.

[infornography]

I do think playing 5th ed with the newer models would be a bit of a blast though. We now have a Parasite model and the Neurotyrant would make an amazing Doom of Malantai. The Terv/Tfex kit exists now, and we have plastic lictors, though the Von Ryans would probably be better Lictor standins for 5th ed when they were smaller in stature. We still lack a good Shrike model though and the sky slashers are no longer available if you didn't already pick some up. Same with Red Terror, if you were inclined to run him at all. Plastic Vore kits are also welcome, even if they are WAY bigger and look nothing like their old ones. Tyrannocyte is a great stand in for the drop pod spores (Mycetic Spores?). And the big spore bombs that come with it are good if you want to use the Meiotic spores from FW.

All in all, we have so much better options for models than we did when that codex was current.

5th ed was where I cut my teeth in 40k so it is probably the edition I am most familiar with aside from the current one.

[lod]

Cheers guys this is much appreasheated.

[lod]

Just as another side note did Geanstealers in 5th ed need to take moral checks if they lost any to shooting and h2h? thanks

[yoritomo]

If they are not in synapse they do.

[infornography]

Genestealers had decent leadership and didn't suffer from instinctive behavior so they COULD operate outside synapse, but yes, if they are outside synapse they lose fearless so they have to take morale checks as normal.

[mattblowers]

Oct 10, 2023 14:25:55 GMT lod said:

Just as another side note did Geanstealers in 5th ed need to take moral checks if they lost any to shooting and h2h? thanks

Genestealers were trash in 5th. They didn't have frag grenades so that meant that despite their high initiative they always went second, no opponent was ever going to not stay in terrain. One trick I did a lot was run a broodlord in min. units. I'd run up the board and when they went to shoot me I'd go to ground. Every broodlord I gave catalyst too so in my psychic phase they'd pop catalyst, the unit is now in synapse and they all stand up, ready to charge. It was a very thematic list. I still have 6 of the old "come at me bro" original broodlords.

That list with 3 lictors and 2 flyrants with devs and brainleech worms was a solid list. Not groundbreaking, but always decent.

[lod]

Cheers guys

[infornography]

Genestealers were aces in 5th... Sure they lacked grenades but they put out surprising amounts of damage and had such good initiative that they USUALLY went first. I do not recall any rule that made charging into terrain force you to go last in 5th edition. Also Broodlords were hot garbage in 5th edition and were little more than a sergeant for Genestealers. And you could NOT give them Catalyst. Only Tervigons got Catalyst. Are you sure you aren't thinking of 6th edition?

In 5th ed, Psyker powers were unique per dataslate, much like they are now. You couldn't give anything a psyker power, they either came with them or they did not.

My favorite lists in 5th ed were genestealer heavy and used Ymgarls. A deathstar of Swarmlord, Tyrant Guard, and Prime would march up the field with a couple zoanthropes while enabling a troop tervigon to be outflanked along with 2 or 3 units of genestealers. A Trygon or two would pop out of the ground, genestealers and tervigon would outflank, Ymgarls would appear in terrain, and your opponent would have a very hard time with target priority while being unable to keep their footing. It was pretty glorious. Yeah half our codex was hot garbage, but the ones that were good were really good.