Crusher Tyrant Guard

[piersonsmuppet]

Is it just me, or do Tyrant Gauard w/ Crushing Claws attached to SL or a MBS Tyrant seem pretty good in Crusher Stampede? The whole unit gets rr hits and wounds and will pull a lot of firepower from your other monsters (maybe a downside since Tg are more expensive than most monsters?).

[mattblowers]

I really am not a fan of Crusher Stampede. I want to love it but it just seems bad to me in anything other than a funsy game. Problem 1: detachment is subpar. Problem 2: I haven't found TG to be worth their points. I'm always happier spending their points on something else.

[purestrain]

TG aren't worth it, just run more monsters like an exocrine. The reason that crusher stampede is a basic Detachment is because monsters/vehicles don't need the assistance of stratagems to be effective/survivable anymore.

[dkng]

Too slow and not enough attacks.

[piersonsmuppet]

Guess it’s just me then! I agree with most points above about TG during the index, but they look efficient enough with strats in Nexus and Crusher that I’m willing to stretch outside what units were good in Invasion Fleet. I’m probably going to play a Crusher TG brick in the next few weeks, I guess I’ll report back here if it happens.

Edit: I’ll also add I did say “pretty good”, so I’ll clarify they seem like a pretty good option to take in a list with a SL or Tyrant since they protect the CP engine (which Crusher will still eat, esp Exos for ignore cover) and can project actual threat. They still won’t take Crusher to the top tables at a Major+… or will they…

[dkng]

If you really want to use TG I think your best bet is the upgraded Neurotyrant in Nexus.

[trashcan01]

Hmmm, I was always under the impression that Tyrant Guard work best in Assimilation Swarm, as in, you can bring them back.
To be honest never thought of 'em in Stampede. Might work tho.

Hopefully I'll have a game in a week or so, planning to open the Age of Codex with the "lowest" Swarm - the Stampede.

[dkng]

Hmmm… are we sure that TGs with a Tyrant can be targeted with Rampaging Monstrosities?
Is an Infantry unit with an attached monster a „Monster unit”?

[No One]

Yes, just as they're an Infantry unit. What they're not is Monster models.

[dkng]

Sept 29, 2023 7:48:04 GMT No One said:

Yes, just as they're an Infantry unit. What they're not is Monster models.

„Simplified” indeed

[piersonsmuppet]

Sept 29, 2023 6:10:02 GMT dkng said:

If you really want to use TG I think your best bet is the upgraded Neurotyrant in Nexus.

I plan on using them in Nexus, but wasn’t really considering CC on them.

Sept 29, 2023 7:18:29 GMT trashcan01 said:

Hmmm, I was always under the impression that Tyrant Guard work best in Assimilation Swarm, as in, you can bring them back.

They can regen but have the same problem as usual that they are ineffective for the pts. A Tyrant can’t take the regen 2x relic and the regen strat (battle tactic) is usable only after the unit kills something. I’d have a different tune if even one of those were different, since most of the command phase regen will be just healing a damaged model instead of bringing one back. I think there would be more gas with the current lack of TG regen if Venomthropes could still give them Stealth when a Tyrant is attached.

[mattblowers]

Sept 29, 2023 13:40:00 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

I think there would be more gas with the current lack of TG regen if Venomthropes could still give them Stealth when a Tyrant is attached.

Hmmmm.. I hadn't thought of that. How do mixed units work? Are they neither? Both? What toughness do you use? So far I have played almost exclusively with GSC this edition and haven't run into this before.

[piersonsmuppet]

An attached unit containing a TG unit and a Tyrant unit is both an INFANTRY unit and a MONSTER unit for any rules purposes that references <keyword> unit. The lowest toughness characteristic is used for the unit, which is why attaching a Neurotyrant to neurogaunts is terrible.

I wish the Venomthropes rules said “except MONSTER models”. Funnily enough, the exception technically does nothing RAW since it says MONSTERS (which isn’t a KEYWORD if you want to die on that hill vs a TO).

Edit: it appears I was wrong about the TG regen slightly, looks like assimilation just lets you bring back an INFANTRY model even if one is injured in the unit. Cool, still a little underwhelming imo.