Stratagem: Impact Hits 3CP

[gauntlet]

Stratagem: Impact Hits 3CP
When a Monstrous model completes a charge pick up 8 dice for Extra Attacks.
Don't bother rolling to hit, forget about rolls to wound. Tell your opponent to shove his armour save. No Inv Saves. AP=-10++. Also nerf their counter stratagems.

Roll 8 dice, each 5+ cause a Mortal Wound, on the target unit of the charge.

[Iryan]

...so Tank Shock for monsters except it does not scale with the strength of the monster and costs more. Less effective for three times the CP cost. You deal less than one mortal wound per CP spent.

Why?

[parzaius]

Yeah, this is very bad. Nids need "Tank Shock" word for word but with "vehicle" changed out for "monster"

Hell, it was a default nid rule before and now machines get it instead because that's the pipeline. Anything good in the xenos eventually gets taken away and given to an imperial.

[Iryan]

I mean, Tank Shock was a general rule before 8th if I recall correctly, and it actually forced infantry models to move out of the way of the tank (and any model that couldn't was just destroyed). So I am fine with there being tank shock of some kind.

The fact that you can use it on walkers with powerful melee weapons to get 5-6 mortal wounds for 1CP guaranteed, while nids SHOULD have something like that and do not have it.... THAT is the dumb part.

We might even GET a carbon-copy of tank shock for monsters instead. But it would still be rude if that takes up a stratagem slot in the codex while everyone else gets theirs for free.

[gauntlet]

Tank Shock is a 1CP stratagem for vehicles, in the core rules.
The monstrous version needs to cost 3CP because of the same reason that the developers decided vehicles should have it but monsters don't.

[nidsallday]

Jul 4, 2023 19:31:52 GMT gauntlet said:

Tank Shock is a 1CP stratagem for vehicles, in the core rules.
The monstrous version needs to cost 3CP because of the same reason that the developers decided vehicles should have it but monsters don't.

because apperently monsters are the canadians in wh (even when charging into enemies for melee fighting they are polite and make sure not to step on someone, cause this would be rude)

[yoritomo]

Have you ever seen a Canadian fight? You don’t mess with Canadians, they will beat you to a bloody pulp if the occasion calls for it.

Impact hits is clearly made to deal with vehicles. 8 free attacks that auto hit, wound on 5+, and doesn’t allow a save. Our big bugs don’t need help against infantry, so it’s stupid to use impact hits against them.

Same thing for tank shock. Tanks have problems with infantry, so they have a stratagem to help. Tank shock was absolutely brutal back in the day, provided you failed a leadership test.

[jimmicus]

Jul 4, 2023 19:17:23 GMT parzaius said:

Yeah, this is very bad. Nids need "Tank Shock" word for word but with "vehicle" changed out for "monster"

Hell, it was a default nid rule before and now machines get it instead because that's the pipeline. Anything good in the xenos eventually gets taken away and given to an imperial.

Wait until the codex I reckon, the crusher stampede detachment will get it or something close to it.

[N.I.B.]

What I expect from our impending monster detachment is that GW will compensate and keep a lot of our monsters overpriced and/or with subpar rules and damage output, so they will be not great in non-monster detachments.

[purestrain]

Jul 5, 2023 8:24:32 GMT N.I.B. said:

What I expect from our impending monster detachment is that GW will compensate and keep a lot of our monsters overpriced and/or with subpar rules and damage output, so they will be not great in non-monster detachments.

If my monster detachment is 2xexocrines 2xharuspex a Tyrannofex or two and a hierophant I'll be happy