Points!! I need points!!

[mattblowers]

Anyone know when points drop? At this point any list building or trying to figure out what's good is pointless. It all comes down to points. Some things will be stupidly cheap, some will turn a decent unit into complete garbage. Our big 'nids look good, but as usual it always comes down to points.

Here's some of my predictions:

- most of our big bugs will be far overpriced
- Hive Tyrants will be too expensive
- hive guard will either be game changingly cheap for what they do or prohibitively expensive: they have never been simply a good option in the 20 years I have been playing, they are either auto include or not even a consideration
- some unit that you haven't really considered before will suddenly be so cheap that it will become auto include: top candidates for me: biovores, t-cytes, and trygons. They all play shennanigans with movement or restricting movement. I'm predicting one of these units will be auto include.
- screamer killer, big brain thing, and the "kraken" will be WAY too expensive. Cool new 'nid models are always too expensive to actually play in the edition where they release.
- we will have 1 really great infantry choice and one fairly decent.
- Warriors are bad.
- Raveners will be cheaper than warriors AND they are better.
- Tervigon will be undercosted.
- with the way the new synapse works our sit back units will be too expensive: our play style will have to be a rush forward for table control, retrict your opponents movement to get favorable matchups, and outscore them. Gunlines will be too expensive win an artillery exchange, our CQC units will not punch hard enough to stand toe to toe with their heavy hitters. Our best play will be to force them in bad situations where they cannot react quickly enough to outscore us. We have always been a counterstrike army (with the exception of 8th edition genestealer/SL combo where you could turn 1 charge your opponent across the table).

[trashcan01]

TBH I was hoping the points would drop by now.

I dunno where does all this negativity comes from? I hope not from experience.
I mean, statistically speaking, GW should get it right by now. Right?

[riverzora]

Now

[acehilator]

Points are here: www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/oF1iWIkNsvlUHByM.pdf

[acehilator]

I take three Warriors for 70 points for backfield objectives all day, every day. Same with Venoms, and Zoans. SL for 250 is not cheap, but increases CP by 50%. And Exo for 135 is very nice. T10 is not much for tank/monster standards, but Plasma/Melta still needs 5s to wound, and most other AT weapons have S12+ anyways.

[dkng]

I was right about Neurogaunts costing 4 ppm They do make sense for this kind of price.
One thing I dont really get - we can take either 3 or 6 Tyrant Guard? Cause one of them costs 31,(6) points so if I want to take 5 do I round up the points?

[trashcan01]

I'm still processing but everything looks good.

Some things are a bit more expensive, but majority is much cheaper than I expected.

[yowster12]

I am a little sad at 200pts Tervigon, but I guess not everything can be a winner. Zoans feel appropriately costed and that makes me happy. Melee warriors more expensive than shooting ones makes no sense to me, but maybe someone can explain.

[acehilator]

Jun 16, 2023 15:29:29 GMT dkng said:

I was right about Neurogaunts costing 4 ppm They do make sense for this kind of price.
One thing I dont really get - we can take either 3 or 6 Tyrant Guard? Cause one of them costs 31,(6) points so if I want to take 5 do I round up the points?

Fixed unit sizes. You take either 3, or 6. AoS sends it regards.

Neurogaunts need to be 3 ppm. For 70 points you get three Warriors with Barbed Strangler + Venom Cannon.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jun 16, 2023 15:34:46 GMT yowster12 said:

I am a little sad at 200pts Tervigon, but I guess not everything can be a winner. Zoans feel appropriately costed and that makes me happy. Melee warriors more expensive than shooting ones makes no sense to me, but maybe someone can explain.

GW tends to overvalue the output of melee compared to shooting. It's either a design decision to prioritize shooting or recognition of all the crazy charge and fight phase shenanigans you can pull.

[Jbizzy]

Haruspex 125, Maleceptor 165 but Toxicrene 200 The mind boggles...

RIP melee warriors, 90 for 3? Should be 75 for 3 without the bio cannons. They are so slow compared to Raveners and Melee ranger synapse will be the first to get blasted IMO.

[mattblowers]

Well.... That post aged poorly. I willed it into existence. I had no idea they were dropping points today.

[yowster12]

The fact that Points now force you to take specific units sizes bothers me to no end. Id rather take 15 Gaunts or Gants than 10 or 20 because at 10 they aren't worth it and at 20 they are too expensive for what they do.

Maybe my play group will be OK with simply paying the points for unit size and that's it...

The council has reached a decision but given that I consider it a Stupid decision Ive decided to ignore it.

Edit, checked Gargoyles, 7.5pts a model makes it impossible to increase them as I envisioned unless I go to 16 Gargoyles instead of 15. I really dislike this move.

[gman25639]

I like that all the points costs are divisible by 5 and that models come in groups instead of individuals. Will make list building MUCH easier, finaggling over the precise number of Gaunts in the army in order to reach the precise points total for the list was always a hassle.

20 Termagants with whichever weapon is best for the situation for 120 points is much better than points per Termagant AND per weapon. None of their weapon options seem inherently better or worse than any of the others this go around. Basically this edition has simplified things from "Do I want cheap or killy" to "Which weapon is best for this matchup?"

125 point Carnifexes regardless of which weapon they have is going to be a MASSIVE boon, same goes for the Tyrannofex being a flat 200.

Despite Hive Tyrants having lost some of their old options like Devourers I think this is going to be the most flexible Tyranids have ever been. We no longer have to sacrifice overall number of models to make our units better at a specific task.

200 point Tervigons seem a tad steep but I think they still have a use. Since it isn't limited to Fleshborer Gants anymore and can't clog up plus giving Lethal Hits to Termagant shooting I'd stick it next to a blob or two of Devourer Gants in Strategic Reserves and bring them in off a board edge to shoot the hell out of something and claim an objective in the enemy backline.

[Jbizzy]

They've been transition to fixed unit sizes for a while. You could take zoans and tyrant guards as singles (because thats how they were packaged) but need 3 to suit the new packaged kit.

I don't have a problem with this,after playing AoS for a bit i got over it. List building to squeeze in all upgrades by eliminating low point gaunts out of squad is annoying.