Jormungandr Shooting and Hiding - 2000pts, Advice Welcome

[higgins]

So I'm new to 40K as of Jan 2023, and I've been getting outplayed, especially in shooting.

I made this army to basically hide and do secondary's while I shoot with my (5) HQ's using Look Out Sir on all five.

Tournaments in the Midwest have SO MANY WALLS!!!  


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Jormungandr: Look Out Sir!!! Points Total: 2000

Arks of Omen Detachment, Starting CP: (-4)

BASE: HIVE FLEET ADAPTATION: TUNNEL NETWORKS, Enemy Ranged Hit Rolls -1 (unless close)
Optional: LURK BIOMORPHOLOGIES: Exoskeletal Reinforcement, Enemy -1AP, Now 0AP



HQ #1 (1) Hive Tyrant - WARLORD 195

Hive Tyrant + 2 Monstrous scything talons   
Heavy Venom Cannon   
Psychic Power: Smite, Psychic Scream, Onslaught

(-1CP) RELIC: SHARDGULLET - Replaces the Heavy Venom Cannon



HQ #2 (1) Hive Tyrant 190

Hive Tyrant + 2 Monstrous scything talons  
Stranglethorn cannon  
Psychic Power: Smite, Psychic Scream, Catalyst

(-1CP) RELIC: BALETHORN CANNON - Replaces the Stranglethorn Cannon

(-1CP) HEROIC SUPPORT - (You can include a maximum of 2 Hive Tyrants)



HQ #3 (1) Tyranid Prime 90

Tyranid Prime + Venom cannon + Scything talon + Scything talon  
Adrenal glands - Add 1" to the Move, add 1 to the Strength  


HQ #4 (1) Tyranid Prime 90

Tyranid Prime + Venom cannon + Scything talon + Scything talon  
Adrenal glands - Add 1" to the Move, add 1 to the Strength  


No Force Org (1) Tyranid Prime 90

Tyranid Prime + Venom cannon + Scything talon + Scything talon  
Adrenal glands - Add 1" to the Move, add 1 to the Strength  


Troop #1 (10) Gargoyles 80

Gargoyles + Fleshborer  


Troop #2 (10) Hormagaunts 80

Hormagaunts + Hormagaunt talons  

Troop #3 (10) Hormagaunts 80

Hormagaunts + Hormagaunt talons  


Troop #4 (3) Tyranid Warriors 105

Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Deathspitter (+5)  
Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Deathspitter (+5)  
Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Venom cannon (+5)  


Troop #5 (3) Tyranid Warriors 105

Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Deathspitter (+5)
Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Deathspitter (+5)
Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Venom cannon (+5)


Troop #6 (3) Tyranid Warriors 105

Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Deathspitter (+5)  
Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Deathspitter (+5)  
Tyranid Warrior + Scything talon + Scything talon + Venom cannon (+5)  


ELITES #1 (5) Tyrant Guards 260

Tyrant Guard + 2 rending claws + 2 scything talons  
Tyrant Guard + 2 rending claws + 2 scything talons  
Tyrant Guard + 2 rending claws + 2 scything talons  
Tyrant Guard + 2 rending claws + 2 crushing claws  
Tyrant Guard + 2 rending claws + 2 crushing claws  
Adrenal glands - Add 1" to the Move, add 1 to the Strength 


ELITES #2 (1) Pyrovore 40

Pyrovore + Flamespurt; bludgeoning fists; acid maw.  


FAST #1 (1) Parasite of Mortrex 80

Parasite of Mortrex + clawed limbs; barbed ovipositor  


HEAVY #1 (1) Tyrannofex 230

Tyrannofex + stinger salvoes + powerful limbs.  
Acid spray + Dermic Symbiosis (4+ INV) 
(-1CP) Jormungandr – Requisition Stratagem: BURIED IN WAIT - Deepstrike


HEAVY #2 (3) Hive Guard 180

Hive Guard + Shockcannon  
Adrenal glands - Add 1" to the Move, add 1 to the Strength - Per Unit Cost  


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I plan on parking my (1) Pyro at home base
Using the Gargoyles, Hormagaunts, and Parasite to jump on close objectives and do actions
Hide and spread out the rest of my army
Use my (5) HQ models to sneak around corners and shoot, using Look Out Sir
Plant my T-fex with 4+INV (probably mid-field) to help on turn 2 or 3


ANY THOUGHTS OR ADVICE WOULD BE GREAT!

[No One]

So, to break this down: overall? How do you win, what're your secondary options, how do you secure primary. You've got a lot of disposable action-guys and some nice obsec stuff, so banners is often going to be solid. And...? You could make a play for warp ritual, and BEL, but the big problem is that you're very vulnerable to being aggressed on. You just don't really have damage: shooting from behind look out sir is all well and good, but it needs to be very impactful to make up for the reliance on the which...a single VC for 90 pts really, really isn't. You also need something that can move up: dermic t-fex is pretty good at this, but isn't going to cut it on its own. The entire rest of your army is reliant on good terrain to protect themselves, which goes double for then trying to use look out sir.

Specifics:
- Ignore AP-1 is incredibly minor. Territorial is good to anchor objectives off the tyrants/t-fex (though fairly minor with only 3 MCs), or the extra sv if in cover if you want to get more infantry benefits. Because the dense is only likely to do things for the infantry anyway
- Scy tals are worse than lw&bs (except the t-guard version, because random AP-1 and they already have rending): may or may not be worth on warriors, but I'd go lw&bs for pts, or rending instead of scy tals.
- Don't like balethorn, I think patho HVC is better, especially with the fact balethorn has blast
- With free strat reserves, DS prob isn't worth the CP
- Alien cunning (and possibly gestation sac as well) are strong options on parasite for scoring play
- Hive guard are pretty mediocre in I think every aspect except for being infantry

Also in relation to previous, I don't see any reason to have a pile of min warrior squads, they're just not really doing much?

[piersonsmuppet]

Balethorn is significantly better than Pathogenesis with T5 and 3W being pretty rampant in AoO. Balethorn really likes to be in an army with the fallback and shoot adaptation, but is perfectly serviceable in any fleet.

Pathogenesis is only comparable to Shardgullet when not in Levi or Gorgon, and even then it is a meta pick. Shardgullet likes to shoot at custode bikers and tanks w/o invuls, so Pathogenesis is a better choice if those aren’t present.

Realistically, the VC will let you down. The pts on the primes would be better spent on an exo due to AoO favoring 3W bodies.