Psychic Interrogation Question

[ausnid]

So, the original psychic interrogation secondary was: 


Psychic Interrogation (Psychic Action - Warp Charge 4): One PSYKER CHARACTER unit from your army can attempt to perform this psychic action in your Psychic phase if it is within 24" of any visible enemy CHARACTER models.

It then lost the visible requirement to: 


Psychic Interrogation (Psychic Action - Warp Charge 4): One PSYKER CHARACTER unit from your army can attempt to perform this psychic action in your Psychic phase if it is within 24" of any enemy CHARACTER units.

And now 

Psychic Interrogation (Psychic Action - Warp Charge 5): One PSYKER CHARACTER unit from your army can attempt to perform this psychic action in your Psychic phase if it is within 24" of and visible to any enemy CHARACTER units.

So they didnt revert back to the original wording. The most obvious thing this does is mean that 18+ wound models can always be interrogated within 24" if you have true line of sight. But my question is around something I think I saw somewhere (maybe Goonhammer) that this may be interpreted to mean that the unit that satisfies the first condition doesnt have to be the same character unit that satisfies the second condition. 

As an example scenario, if I have a neurothrope that is out of sight of a chaplain who is 20" away, but visible to a librarian who is 25" away. 

Under the original version, I clearly can't interrogate as the neuro is not within 24" of a visible enemy character - the chaplain is not visible, and the libby is too far away.
Likewise, under the previous version I clearly can as I'm within 24" of the chaplain.

Under the Arks GT pack, can I do it? Am I within 24" of any enemy characters? Yes. Am I visible to any enemy characters? Yes. The use of the word 'any' here is what seems to be the sticking point, as it doesnt say 'a' or 'the target' enemy character. 

Have people aware of any TO rulings on this?

Cheers
 

[trashcan01]

Jan 18, 2023 7:34:26 GMT ausnid said:

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Psychic Interrogation (Psychic Action - Warp Charge 5): One PSYKER CHARACTER unit from your army can attempt to perform this psychic action in your Psychic phase if it is within 24" of and visible to any enemy CHARACTER units.

So they didnt revert back to the original wording. The most obvious thing this does is mean that 18+ wound models can always be interrogated within 24" if you have true line of sight. But my question is around something I think I saw somewhere (maybe Goonhammer) that this may be interpreted to mean that the unit that satisfies the first condition doesnt have to be the same character unit that satisfies the second condition. 

As an example scenario, if I have a neurothrope that is out of sight of a chaplain who is 20" away, but visible to a librarian who is 25" away.

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If that is the wording that is in the Mission pack - yes, the Neurothrope can do Psy Action and target the Chaplain, because he is visible to a Librariran. 

[hivefleetkerrigan]

RAW yes. RAI not sure. I'd recommend checking with a TO before betting a game plan on it.

We've established that GW is not good at technical writing so this feels like an oversight.

[piersonsmuppet]

RAW w/in 24” of and in LoS are a single qualifier that any character could satisfy. For Psy Int to have two qualifiers, it would need to be worded similar to LoS: w/in 24” of any characters and in LoS of any characters.

I‘d be surprised if many TOs allow a psyker to interrogate a character that can’t see the psyker.

[bigbadbalou]

RAW, both conditions seems to be meant to be met for the same character units... For the character to be able to attempt the psychic action, its target needs to be within 24" of it and the psyker attempting it needs to be visible from its target. The key relation for RAW interpretation would be the "..within 24" of and visible to...". Like Pierson said, its not "within 24" of any character and visible to any character". Both conditions are addressed and asked to be met together by any CHARACTER units. At least, that's how I read it.

Stangely enough, it would seems like its theoretically possible for a psyker to attempt to interogate a character even if the psyker itself doesn't see its target... As long as its target is within 24 and the target can see the psyker... I'm not too sure how it would happens though... That being said, it would seems it is more easy for a 18+ psyker to interogate another character, but the other way around would not change much. Interogating a 18+W model would not change much compared to interogating any other character with less than 18 wounds... Did I read it right?

[piersonsmuppet]

Yes, W18+ models can interrogate easier since the enemy characters ignore obscuring when determining sight lines. When trying to interrogate a W18+ model, it is treated the same as any other character if your psyker is less than W18.