Rending claws

[beastoftanagra]

Can y’all help me resolve a discrepancy, please?

I have a squad of Warriors and a squad of Raveners equipped with Rending Claws. My codex says that Rending Claws are S+1, but my Warhammer App datasheet says they are S user. I’m not aware of this being FAQ’d or otherwise nerfed.

Did I miss an update, or is one of the data sheets wrong?

Thanks,

[purestrain]

Jan 10, 2023 18:27:07 GMT beastoftanagra said:

Can y’all help me resolve a discrepancy, please?

I have a squad of Warriors and a squad of Raveners equipped with Rending Claws. My codex says that Rending Claws are S+1, but my Warhammer App datasheet says they are S user. I’m not aware of this being FAQ’d or otherwise nerfed.

Did I miss an update, or is one of the data sheets wrong?

Thanks,

app is wrong, they are S+1 ap-4 1d

Unless they have ravenor Claws on them and it's abbreviated.

[kinginyellow]

Warriors cannot be equipped with rending claws. Warriors get scything talons which is str S, raveners get rending claws which is str +1

[piersonsmuppet]

Jan 11, 2023 1:11:30 GMT kinginyellow said:

Warriors cannot be equipped with rending claws. Warriors get scything talons which is str S, raveners get rending claws which is str +1

Warriors can be equipped with Rending Claws.

[kinginyellow]

Jan 11, 2023 2:11:14 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Jan 11, 2023 1:11:30 GMT kinginyellow said:

Warriors cannot be equipped with rending claws. Warriors get scything talons which is str S, raveners get rending claws which is str +1

Warriors can be equipped with Rending Claws.

You are correct. Up till now I didn't look at anything beyond the bone swords and spaced. Thanks for the catch.

[dkng]

Actually in the upcoming SM-heavy meta (supposedly) the Rending Claws can be the go-to melee option for Warriors.
The debatable part is is it worth it to pay 5 for Deathspitters or stay with Devs.

[piersonsmuppet]

LW & BS is still better into marines than RC, and ST are almost equal into Marines while being better into GEQ bodies.

[dkng]

Jan 11, 2023 12:55:18 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

LW & BS is still better into marines than RC, and ST are almost equal into Marines while being better into GEQ bodies.

BS is better but it's not free. By paying those 5 points our Warrior becomes more expensive than a TH/SS Terminator nowadays XD

[piersonsmuppet]

Jan 11, 2023 18:26:56 GMT dkng said:

BS is better but it's not free. By paying those 5 points our Warrior becomes more expensive than a TH/SS Terminator nowadays XD

Well, it's not always about the total cost. Pts efficiency is a better factor for determining if something is "good". LW & BS puts 7.8 damage into MEQ for 35 pts whereas RC puts 4 damage into MEQ for 30 pts. Note, these numbers are w/o other units' buffs. Realistically, Dual BS is still more pts efficient into most targets than RC with the loss of AoC. RC are really only pts efficient over either sword vs 1W models, in which case ST's are going to be more efficient unless the unit has a 3+ or better save (those extra attacks really count).

RC have been the worst weapon choice in the 9E codex. The exception is RC on Raveners because they lacked a weapon option with more than 1D.

Edit: This isn't to say that RC on Warriors are terrible, but it is probably worth the 15-25 pts to upgrade to BS & LW.

[dkng]

Erm... how can a D2 weapon on a body with 3 attacks cause 7.8 wounds? What you meant was a unit of 3 Warriors right? So it's 7.8 for 105 points over 4 for 90. Yeah the difference is big but those costs add up. And the problem with those costs adding up is that a Warrior is not a very durable and not a very fast platform with big footprint (50mm base). Even pre-nerf there were many top-placing lists taking a bare minimum of Warriors just for the SI.
Yeah the ScyTals are better basically vs anything non-MEQ/TEQ. Behemoth shakes things up a bit as Warriors with AGs and RCs are S8 when charging.
As always - I don't mean to argue, simply to discuss. So far the best performing setup seems to be LW&BS and Dev. But if going cheap ScyTals are winning with RCs unless your local meta is all Astartes / CSM

[piersonsmuppet]

Jan 11, 2023 20:55:48 GMT dkng said:

Erm... how can a D2 weapon on a body with 3 attacks cause 7.8 wounds? What you meant was a unit of 3 Warriors right? So it's 7.8 for 105 points over 4 for 90. Yeah the difference is big but those costs add up. And the problem with those costs adding up is that a Warrior is not a very durable and not a very fast platform with big footprint (50mm base). Even pre-nerf there were many top-placing lists taking a bare minimum of Warriors just for the SI.
Yeah the ScyTals are better basically vs anything non-MEQ/TEQ. Behemoth shakes things up a bit as Warriors with AGs and RCs are S8 when charging.
As always - I don't mean to argue, simply to discuss. So far the best performing setup seems to be LW&BS and Dev. But if going cheap ScyTals are winning with RCs unless your local meta is all Astartes / CSM

Yes, that was supposed to be for 3 warriors, thanks for that catch! Debate is just one form of discussion, and usually a great one for when two sides disagree (all arguments aren't inherently bad).

[dkng]

What would make them more competitive and interesting is letting them reroll 1s to wound.