Post nerf Kraken

[zimko]

I still have one last fight pre-nerf at LVO but I also have a GT with the new rules 2 weeks later. So I need to start working on a new list. Here's what I have right now.

Kraken
HQ
- Flyrant with Reaper and Adaptive: 245 -2 cp
- Swarmlord: 240 -1 cp
- Neurothrope Synaptic Tendrils: 110 -1 cp
- Tervigon AGlands, MawClaw, Senses: 245 -2 cp
Troops
- 30 Gants: 210
- 10 Gargs: 80
- 10 Gargs: 80
- 3 Warrs BS/LW, Devs, FHooks: 110
Elites
- 3 Tyrant Guard, BS/LW, AGlands: 150
- 4 Venomthropes: 160
- 4 Venomthropes: 160
- 3 Zoanthropes: 210

2000 pts, 0 CP

Besides the Reaper Flyrant, our HQs were largely untouched except a couple minor point increases (relatively speaking). And while losing overrun sucks... the Reaper is still really good. So I'm leaning heavily on Reaper Flyrant, Super Tervigon and Swarmlord to pull their weight in melee. Meanwhile, Venomthropes are still a decent price, and in Kraken and the loss of AoC their lack of AP is compensated. Tack on buffs and they can reliably remove 5 marines.

With Psychic Interigation effectively dead, I'm going to lean on gargoyles for secondaries and CP gain.

This list may fall on its face but I really want to try our best version of hero hammer 'super friends'

[dkng]

This list looks... so sad ;(

[zimko]

Jan 10, 2023 7:30:15 GMT dkng said:

This list looks... so sad ;(

Just trying to work with what we have. Art of War just ranked us in the bottom of C tier

[kukie]

its a rare model but PRYOVORES are still really good for there cost (40 points). hormaguants look a lot better (especially with armor of contempt gone), The Swarmlord was a "decent" HQ and since it hasn't been nerfed it's looking great now. Ravengers got nerfed but I think 3x 3 ravenger units is great for Kraken.

I feel like the biggest loss to the Tyranids army is no real option for heavy fire supposrt. Carnefex's, biovores and Tyranofex got nerfed (exocrine was previously nerfed). HOWEVER... Hive guard with the SHOCKCANNONS are looking super competitive in today's meta... 2 assault, 36 inch range, strength 7, AP -2, flat 3 damage and the best thing 4+ auto wounds vehicles and does 1 mortal wound... 4 wounds, tough 6, 3+ save.. if they had core I'd say they were broken. The fact they stayed 150 points for a unit of 3... I think they are the hidden gem left untouched in the codex... the seeming rise of GUARD with the Leman Russ Tanks, and transports and other vehicles being common... I think that's the direction of future competitive Tyranid list... does anyone agree?

[trashcan01]

Jan 12, 2023 17:51:45 GMT kukie said:

HOWEVER... Hive guard with the SHOCKCANNONS are looking super competitive in today's meta... 2 assault, 36 inch range, strength 7, AP -2, flat 3 damage and the best thing 4+ auto wounds vehicles and does 1 mortal wound... 4 wounds, tough 6, 3+ save.. if they had core I'd say they were broken. The fact they stayed 150 points for a unit of 3... I think they are the hidden gem left untouched in the codex... the seeming rise of GUARD with the Leman Russ Tanks, and transports and other vehicles being common... I think that's the direction of future competitive Tyranid list... does anyone agree?

They went up 5 points per model, making the unit cost 165 points with 3x Shockcannon models. This makes them roughly the same cost as fully geared Carnifex with HVC. HVC is still our best anti-tank, but I'll admit I've overlooked the Hive guard completely.

Still, they are okay now I suppose. They Advance each turn and still hit on 3+ most of the time.

[zimko]

I've been considering pyrovores. 2 units inside a tyrannocyte (or maybe without but utilizing the free strategic reserves?) is 340 pts.

But here's the thing. The meta is going to heavily shift to multi-melta space marine armies. Dark Angel and Iron Hands are going to have a stupid number of combi and multi meltas. And Imperial Knights will also be good and have plenty of deadly shooting. The only way to combat this is to not get shot.

Pyrovores, while decent, still die to a single melta shot fairly reliably at half range. And their primary form of damage is with shooting. So Pyrovores will arrive on the scene, shoot, kill some stuff... and then promptly die.

Meanwhile, our melee units can hide until it's time to charge something, then try to stay in melee to avoid getting shot.

All the HQs have 'look out sir' rules to help them not get shot which is why I'm leaning heavily into them.

Venomthropes have a 50% chance of keeping a unit from falling back, plus the fly keyword to wrap models.

I'm definitely considering Hormagaunts because they play into the melta-meta well, but not with kraken. I just don't think kraken horms can punch hard enough. If I go hormagaunts it'll be with behemoth or gorgon (I'm leaning towards behemoth for +1 to wound which will work against knights, and because behemoth guants don't require toxin sacs or CP to function well). But first I want to try Kraken.

[kukie]

I hear you about SHOCKCANNONS, I did the math and 3 Shockcannons only do 5 wounds to a Leman Russ on Average, 8 to a Chimera. Not terrible but Carnefexs still look the best for Anti-tank. maybe one 3 man unit of Shockcannons in cover just to plink away for the whole game is good because they are so tanky, but not the unit that will push the meta forward for Nids.

[dkng]

Jan 13, 2023 13:38:44 GMT kukie said:

I hear you about SHOCKCANNONS, I did the math and 3 Shockcannons only do 5 wounds to a Leman Russ on Average, 8 to a Chimera. Not terrible but Carnefexs still look the best for Anti-tank. maybe one 3 man unit of Shockcannons in cover just to plink away for the whole game is good because they are so tanky, but not the unit that will push the meta forward for Nids.

Without CORE Hive Guard are hopeless with those weapons and points.