2000 myriad cults Big Tournament list: really need imput !

[hiveoverall]

So the list below aims to max out Broodswarm, Nephilim Data and Ambush secondaries. If you see anything in this list that will hinder me from getting these secondaries, please tell me. A few things:

- Myriad cults: ALIEN FURY: the extra inch for pile in and consolidate is very helpful in some situations. I think giving a 6+++ to bikes and ridgerunners is not great in my list, as I am not playing many bikes (I have tons of them, but after testing large squads, I am not convinced they help the gameplan much). I don't want to spend points on a magus (I really think 1 psycher is enough for gen cult), so the psy reroll of 1s and 2s aint great with just one psyker. So i am torn between alien fury + cold eye and Deep Supplies, which my list really doesn't benefit that much from.

- Patriarch with orb offers a nice counterpunch and messes with psyker based strategies. Our HQs are really bad so him and primus seem like the least bad choices.

- 3*5 acolytes with flamers squad there to hit 5 times and provide a second crossfire token this turn (nexos giving first every turn). I am torn between giving lying in wait to one of these squads (instead of one of the blobs of neophytes) to ensure Nephilim Data secondary a "packed with models" opponent table quarter. Good opponents (and those with armies which have a large enough footprint) will try and prevent us from dropping iinto the last quarter to score Data, who else has experienced this at least once ?

- the neophyte squad with autoguns is the one dropping 1st turn, as I may need drop more than 12 from my target (turn 1 it is often safer to do so) and then shotguns don't do anything.

- hybrid metamorphs are our only melee dudes who can get around fight first fight last stuff (and the counterattack strat), and I don't want to rely on mass hypnosis. Abbies and rock cutter acolytes are just too expensive for 2 attacks per model, and although acolytes are obsec, I just prefer having fight on death dudes to not care so much about "order of fighting manipulation". GW really needs to drop 5 pts on abbies, 1 or 2 on metamorphs, 1 on acolytes, but until then metamorphs seem like the least bad choice. Purestrains are strengh 4 so they bounce on toughness, so the autoinclude 1 squad with pregame move is enough for non helix lists IMHO.

- bikes at a minimum is a test, if i take away other things in the future, i will up their count

- ridgerunners: so the fire and fade strat, on wtc terrain, is i think worth trying, I have 0 idea if they might be worth it. Has anyone tried recently ?

- the rest is pretty standard.

Thanks for you thoughts !!

Army points : 2000 ; Unit count : 17 ; Strats : Relic (-1 PC), Extra relic (-1 PC), Extra relic (-1 PC)

PC : 6 -1 -1 -1 = 3 ; Warlord : Patriarch
Myriad cults - 1. INDUSTRIAL AFFINITY, - 1. ALIEN FURY, - 1. ACCUSTOMED TO TOIL, - 1. COLD-EYED KILLERS
The list gives : Bring it down : 3pts, Assassinate : 13 pts, Abhor the witch : 3 pts, no prisoners : 136
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== DETACHEMENT Batallion : Genestealer Cults (0 PC) [105PP, 2000pts] == Myriad cults
HQ 1 : Patriarch [140pts] [WL] Relic (-1 PC) : THE UNWILLING ORB : Psy Powers : MASS HYPNOSIS, MIGHT FROM BEYOND
QG 2 : Primus [80pts]
TR 1 : 5 Acolyte Hybrid [3PP, 45pts] - Acolyte Leader (0)
TR 2 : 5 Acolyte Hybrid [3PP, 45pts] - Acolyte Leader (0)
TR 3 : 5 Acolyte Hybrid [3PP, 54pts] 2 Hand flamers - Acolyte Leader (0), Hand flamer
TR 4 : 20 Neophyte Hybrid [9PP, 195pts] 4 Seismic cannon, 15 Cult shotgun, Proficient planning : A Perfect Ambush
--- Neophyte Leader (0), Cult shotgun
TR 5 : 20 Neophyte Hybrid [9PP, 190pts] 4 Seismic cannon, 15 Autoguns, From Every Angle
--- Neophyte Leader (0), Autogun
TR 6 : 20 Neophyte Hybrid [9PP, 200pts] 4 Seismic cannon, 15 Cult shotgun, Lying in wait
--- Neophyte Leader (0), Cult shotgun
Elite 1 : 10 Purestrain Genestealer [8PP, 150pts] They Came From Below
Elite 2 : 10 Hybrid Metamorphs [7PP, 120pts]
--- Metamorph Leader (0) Autopmistol replaced by Cult lash whip
Elite 3 : 15 Hybrid Metamorphs [12PP, 195pts] A Trap Sprung
--- Metamorph Leader (0), Autopmistol replaced by Cult lash whip
Elite 4 : 10 Hybrid Metamorphs [7PP, 120pts]
--- Metamorph Leader (0), Autopmistol replaced by Cult lash whip
Elite 5 : Kelermorph [3PP, 80pts] - Relic (-1 PC) : WYRMTOOTH ROUNDS
Elite 6 : Nexos [3PP, 50pts] - Relic (-1 PC) : CRANIAL INLAY
Attaque rapide 1 : 4 Atalan Chacals [3PP, 48pts] --- Atalan Leader (0)
Attaque rapide 2 : 4 Atalan Chacals [3PP, 48pts] --- Atalan Leader (0)
Attaque rapide 3 : 3 Achilles Ridgerunner [12PP, 240pts] Heavy Mining Laser ; Flare launchers

[hivefleetkerrigan]

A couple of quick thoughts off hand:
1. I do not like the inclusion of mine squads of bikes. I just played a list that had 2 min squads and they died too easily. I had tried to use them to spread out and gain points early, but they often died turn 1. I replaced them with min squads pure strain genestealers, who were much more durable, still relatively fast, and added some counter punch if needed. They also have a smaller footprint so they can hide behind terrain easier.
2. I don't like ambush as a secondary. It's often too hard to get the 2 points from true exposed. You can also only get the 2 points from "killed from deep strike" turn 2/3. This means that you're relying on very careful positioning to get points here. I found it was better to analyze my opponents list and pick a secondary this way.
3. RND is not to hard to get 9 points. 12 can be a bit difficult as you have to have the right openings or make
4. The big blobs of neophytes don't have banners? In my experience, they'll die quickly without the banners. Banners + iconward are good as you generally get 6 back a turn. If you buy a banner, you only need to bring back 4 for it to be worth it.
5. Jackal alphus is also a solid HQ choice for counts as exposed for early rounds where you don't have true exposed set up.

I'll try to look over your cult traits vs list later to see if I have any ideas there.

Have you run any test games? Good luck!