2k Competitive Monsters

[bumbleb1492]

Anyone have any success with spamming shooty monsters? It seems okay on paper but I'd like to hear if anyone has experience running it. This is the list I've been brewing with so far. Not sure if Custom Hive Fleet is the way to go but it seems like a good way to keep my monsters shooting even after getting charged and secure objectives.


++ Spearhead Detachment -3CP (Tyranids) [98 PL, 2CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]

Game Type: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

Hive Fleet
. Other: (Hunt) Heightened Reflexes, (Lurk, Adaptive) Territorial Instincts, Lurk

+ Stratagems +

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [9 PL, 210pts]: Adrenal Glands, Heavy Venom Cannon, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Paroxysm, Power: Psychic Scream, Relic: Shardgullet, Warlord

Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught

+ Elites +

Tyrant Guard [8 PL, 120pts]
. 3x Tyrant Guard (Lash/Sword): 3x Lash Whip and Bonecleaver, 3x Two Rending Claws

Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: The Horror, 3x Zoanthrope

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [21 PL, 450pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Scything Talons
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Scything Talons
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Scything Talons

Exocrine [9 PL, 200pts]

Exocrine [9 PL, 200pts]

Tyrannofex [10 PL, 190pts]: Acid Spray

Tyrannofex [10 PL, 190pts]: Acid Spray

Tyrannofex [10 PL, 190pts]: Acid Spray

++ Total: [98 PL, 2CP, 2,000pts] ++

[No One]

Have been playing some variant of obsec monster mash for the entire time (well, I played one game with Levi just to see what's what), albeit with far less skew lists and having good success.

Quick things:
- Kronos for the range+power, especially with triple acid spray.
- Want something to boost the consistency of the neuro (tendrils or res barb)
- Would take reaper flyrant over walkrant (drop spore cysts): you have limited ability to be proactive against anything that's hiding

So, more broad overview:
With entirely MCs, you really lack any secondary presence. Psy int is...OK but not great with only two psykers, it's a good grind list but grind is a bad secondary, banners is sometimes going to be workable with the t-guard/zoans T1 and then grab a few points late but realistically never actually good unless the match up is completely free. So you're looking at <~10 pt secondaries, and realistically stuck with a kill, while giving up easy BiD for anyone that can take advantage. In other words, you're relying on primary dominance to bring the game back: with 5 model obsec on all the MCs and the chonk they bring to the table, you're generally very set for your primary.

However, with so many giant bases you're often at the mercy of terrain and can't really take advantage of obscuring: you realistically can't hide and have to deploy on the line to get to objectives. Not the worst thing with so many MCs that you'll still have more, but problematic if as a result you can't get to objectives T1, if you get bodyblocked and can't threaten theirs etc. And there is a real possibility of getting ground out when your opponent essentially always has the initiative: wouldn't call it likely, but enough that you now can't close out a primary lead at all/fast enough to beat the secondary disadvantage?

Anyway, sticking with the theme, ideas:
- Double patrol (or patrol+spearhead) and pick up another tyrant: gives a much better lock on psy int and even just a single unit of horms or gargs helps a lot with banners
- Rupture over an acid for another proactive threat unit: not sure it's needed with the double exo+triple HVC fex though
- Dermic+HVC harpy for a mobile threat

There's also the possibility of going in on screamer-killers a bit as an aggressive obsec unit (possibly in Jorm to get around DZ space issues?), or a 'cepter/venom unit for some more durability options, but not sure those really help too much.

[alx51]

Oct 25, 2022 10:31:00 GMT No One said:

However, with so many giant bases you're often at the mercy of terrain and can't really take advantage of obscuring: you realistically can't hide and have to deploy on the line to get to objectives. Not the worst thing with so many MCs that you'll still have more, but problematic if as a result you can't get to objectives T1, if you get bodyblocked and can't threaten theirs etc. And there is a real possibility of getting ground out when your opponent essentially always has the initiative: wouldn't call it likely, but enough that you now can't close out a primary lead at all/fast enough to beat the secondary disadvantage?

This is the main reason why it may not work, what terrain are you playing on ? On WTC terrain it will be impossible to play this list, you will be so limited in your movements, and opponent will hide very easily out of LoS (you need mobile threats vs that, flyrant, harpy etc).