Fine, why do you ask?

[Hive Bahamut]

Where did everyone go? I have been told repeatedly that GSC are fine, but this category hasn't seen a post in just about 2 months, and the amount of batreps online is next to non-existent.

You don't see this level of desertion with a strong army, is this what happened here?

[hivefleetkerrigan]

First, on topic, I think that GSC have some issues in terms of durability for holding objectives. They require very tight list designs. I think they did have a first place finish at a tournament last week but that was the first I remember them placing in a while.

For secondaries:
1. broodswarm is amazing for basically any opponent except for guard mirror matches.
2. Ambush is hard to max out. Requiring true expose or killing something with a unit that dropped in from deep strike. I rarely take it anymore.
3. Sabotage critical location requires a specific type of list. You have to be very fast to do it earlier in the game or durable to do it from deep strike.


I just finished a league where I ran GSC but have been lazy about posting results. This league is very relaxed and lets you change lists as long as you keep the same faction.
My first list iteration did terribly and I went 0-2 against custodes and grey knights. I did lose to people who were practicing for Nova, but the games were not close and the failings came down to list design on my part.

My second list iteration went 2-1 or 3-1 (if you count a make-up game against a friend). I lost a game by 4 points against a guard player. The deciding factor was his baneblade mostly wiping out my abberants after I forgot to use transhuman. All in all, that game was a blast.
I won two games against dark angels that were blowouts in my favor. I won a kill fest against Korn daemons, where the deciding factors were my shooting killing most of his army that had deployed on the field on turn 2 and him failing most of his charges from deep strike.

I love playing GSC but they're a bit too fragile right now. I was playing bladed cog and it felt like 90% of the time I was taking invul saves, where I wouldn't have had any saves without my invul. AP feels a bit out of control right now, with AP-2 being prevalent.

[kukie]

I saw that you ran Bladed Cog and Abberants. were you running the "muscle beach" build (30 abberrents with the 5++), if so that's like all of you CP, or was it like one squad??? either way I'm curious as to how you compare Bladed Cog to Twisted Helix. Personally I've ran a custom cult and everything but Pauper Prince and Bladed Cog since the new codex dropped. I got the most games in with Cot4AE but lost a lot of games with them (I went 0-3 at a RT with Cot4AE). I've had some success with Twisted Helix and Rusted Claw.

[killercroc]

Honestly I just do not like 9th, tried a few games, in total had 5 with my GSC and really didn't like it. Difference in power of armies, strats, uncounterable combos plus a whole host of other things. I was forcing myself to play and tried to have fun but I don't want to "try" and have fun, I want the thing to be enjoyable and not a total pain to try work. GSC might have some really powerful lists, but that's not how I wanted to run my army. I did alright with and pulled off wins against what looked like some fun lists, other times I got stomped by stuff I just didn't pre-build my list against to fight. Not to mention how much complaining I got from people when I used my cult, particularly from people that haven't even played against me. Really it's just a bunch of things coming together makes it not worth playing for me, so I've pretty much just boxed up the cult and put them in the spare room.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Oct 3, 2022 21:53:08 GMT kukie said:

I saw that you ran Bladed Cog and Abberants. were you running the "muscle beach" build (30 abberrents with the 5++), if so that's like all of you CP, or was it like one squad??? either way I'm curious as to how you compare Bladed Cog to Twisted Helix. Personally I've ran a custom cult and everything but Pauper Prince and Bladed Cog since the new codex dropped. I got the most games in with Cot4AE but lost a lot of games with them (I went 0-3 at a RT with Cot4AE). I've had some success with Twisted Helix and Rusted Claw.

For the second list, I ran a unit of 9 abberants with 3d6 discard the lowest charges. I would use a biophagus to buff them with 5+ FNP.

I put a 5+ invul and picked a 5+ FNP on a unit of mining laser neophytes. (I had to use alchemist supreme to make it happen). They could soak a lot of incoming firepower at that point. I used one more CP to get the cranial inlay for the nexos. I couldn't justify spending 5 CP before the game started, so I didn't buff the abberants.

For bladed cog, I'm primarily playing them due to the fact that I have kitbashed a bunch of blades cog neophytes and characters from back in 8e. As a cult creed, I think there could be better options depending upon army composition. I went shooting focused to take advantage of the +3" ranged guns. The 6++ invul is good but it's frustrating how often I would have gotten no save without it.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Oct 4, 2022 17:38:07 GMT killercroc said:

Honestly I just do not like 9th, tried a few games, in total had 5 with my GSC and really didn't like it. Difference in power of armies, strats, uncounterable combos plus a whole host of other things. I was forcing myself to play and tried to have fun but I don't want to "try" and have fun, I want the thing to be enjoyable and not a total pain to try work. GSC might have some really powerful lists, but that's not how I wanted to run my army. I did alright with and pulled off wins against what looked like some fun lists, other times I got stomped by stuff I just didn't pre-build my list against to fight. Not to mention how much complaining I got from people when I used my cult, particularly from people that haven't even played against me. Really it's just a bunch of things coming together makes it not worth playing for me, so I've pretty much just boxed up the cult and put them in the spare room.

I forgot the cult to be a lot more fun to play with the 9e codex compared to the 8e codex. With the 8e codex, it was very much a game of crushing your opponent or being crushed. For the 9e codex, I really enjoy playing with the crossfire and exposed. Those two mechanics make the game very position oriented. It also forces you to focus down enemy units, but that you generally cannot kill your opponents forces in one turn.

I haven't had a player complain about my cult yet in 9e. I have gotten some comments that people are glad someone is running cult.

[niiai]

I really like 9th edition. My only complaint it takes long to play.

As far as the armies go I collect nids, SW and GSC. Lastly I have mostly been focusing on my SW. Although I am also building GSC. I don't think they are bad, I am just not frequenting these forums a lot. I have also gone from part time to fultime employment. Witch I am happy about, but alas, less gametime.

Why so little activaty on the forum? People tend to ask GSC questions on the nid part of the forum. But forums are a bit of a dying breed. A lot has moved to discord and facebook. I personally like forums though. People on here are always nice. (Dakka dakka who I also visit are a bit rude.)