Harpy hover

[turtletyrant]

Seeing that Harpy has the AIRCRAFT keyword, it cannot capture and hold objectives, while in "flying" mode.. however, if i choose to use "hover" mode, it loses it's Airborne Predator, Hard to Hit and Manoeuvrable abilities.. does that mean it becomes a normal unit that has the FLY keyword and can capture and hold objectives? also can enemy units without the FLY keyword charge the harpy after it hovers?

[hivefleetkerrigan]

No. It still has the aircraft keyword so it cannot hold objectives.

[dkng]

Hover does not take away Aircraft keyword so it still can't control objectives:

" AIRCRAFT units and units with the Fortifications Battlefield Role can never control objective markers – exclude these units when determining which player controls an objective marker."

In hover mode, technically",. it can't be charged by units without fly as it's still an Aircraft. BUT... this is RAW. Basically, if you can smack a unit on the ground in melee the only fair rule would be for them to be able to strike back. Consult with your opponent, don't be that guy.

"Whenever a model makes any kind of move, it can be moved across AIRCRAFT models (and their bases) as if they were not there, and they can be moved within an enemy AIRCRAFT model’s Engagement Range, but it cannot end the move on top of another model (or its base), and it cannot end the move within Engagement Range of any enemy AIRCRAFT models. The only exception are units that can FLY, which can end a charge move within Engagement Range of an enemy AIRCRAFT model.

If, when an AIRCRAFT unit is selected to Move in the Movement phase, any enemy units are within Engagement Range of it, that AIRCRAFT unit can still make a Normal Move or an Advance (i.e. it does not have to Fall Back or Remain Stationary)."

[piersonsmuppet]

Yea, hover is pretty worthless in 9E. They should’ve tied not holding objectives to supersonic instead of the Aircraft keyword. Maybe next edition will see more use from hover.

[turtletyrant]

So basically, only thing you lose is minumum movement and -1 to hit.. not a great deal.. What about engagement, i assume i can still use the aircraft rule and make a regular move out of engagement with the enemy?

[dkng]

Sept 13, 2022 13:15:52 GMT turtletyrant said:

So basically, only thing you lose is minumum movement and -1 to hit.. not a great deal.. What about engagement, i assume i can still use the aircraft rule and make a regular move out of engagement with the enemy?

RAW yes you can. Consult it though with your opponent or referee.
Btw what you gain is the ability to charge units without Aircraft keyword. Nothing else comes to mind...

[No One]

dkng said:

RAW yes you can. Consult it though with your opponent or referee.

Falling back is unambiguous: you don't need to, same as you don't suddenly get to hold objectives for hovering you can't force someone to Fall Back or not be able to walk over you just because you hover. The thing with charges is that there's two rules which govern what can and can't charge/attack etc aircraft. The core rules, which used to not work full stop and still don't work very well, and the airborne rule, which is what you lose when you hover and works just fine to prevent melee and what basically everyone plays using.

Btw what you gain is the ability to charge units without Aircraft keyword. Nothing else comes to mind...

Losing min movement's the big thing: being able to charge other things requires taking something that cares about charging