2K Levi & GT Results

[Master Chief]

Aug 8, 2022 2:58:47 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Exo - Oh Exocrine, how I want you to work so bad. I'm not sure what it is, but I can't even get this thing to shoot well. I also forgot to roll for Voracious Ammo in all 5 games, but it didn't really make much of a difference with my horrendous to-wound rolls (2 successful wounds was my max). I think I'd like this to be a Tfex to help with the Knight matchup, but mine is mid conversion and may not be finished for a while.

I started by playing 2 harpies, but I noticed that they'd struggle in some match ups, so I decided to give exo a try and to be honest I am playing the exocrine for quite awhile now and have to say that I really like it.

First of all he is versatile, due to the number of shots he'll always have a valid target. Against infantry those shots are good, against multi wound models those shots are good, against vehicle or monsters those shots are good.

Second he's our answer to AoC at range, as a Marine unit in cover will save our HVC shots on a 4+, and an exocrine will probably delete or almost that unit without much effort. With HVC shots it will take too much effort to clean 5 Marines in cover, specially if those are Terminators or Eliminators, or Eradicators.

Third the exo is our only ranged model able to heavily condition enemy movement. If the opponent leaves a unit in sight if that thing, he knows that it might be deleted and light or dense cover won't matter. This somehow will slow down enemy movements because now they'll try to hide more units behind terrain and not in the terrain.

Fourth, in case of opponent's 1st turn he has more chances of survival than a harpy against enemy's long range fire. T8, save 2+/4++, 15 wounds and a -1 to hit, he won't go down easily at all and he'll most likely survive. Despite the 2 wounds less he's comparable in toughness to a Tyrannofex (acid) because he won't look to get closer to the enemy, so he'll be exposed to less threats.



Honesty I love the exocrine, but my list is kinda making him work as I have a few elements that make him work like Venomthropes (-1 to hit), Zoanthropes (Imperative), and a lot of mean things that help keeping the distance in case opponent gets too close (2 flyrants, Maleceptor and a big blob of Warriors).

I think the only reason I'll go for 2 harpies again is in case I know that at a tournament the tables will be too dense of elements and it might be too hard to draw line of sight on the targets.

And in the tables where will be hard to draw decent LoS with the Exo, will be hard to move a tyrannofex too, so at this point is better to have a second harpy.

[piersonsmuppet]

Eh, I’m fairly confident in the assessment that the Exo isn’t what I want in Levi. If I want a big gun, Tfex is the answer. STC Harpies were so good at hunting down scoring units behind obscuring that my opponents no real way to recover. I will always take two, for the shooting and the bombs. The bombs are just so good, especially with the current top armies; even other factions (Tau currently and Ad Mech will follow) are squeezing in 2x of their bombers. 2x Harpy is going to be my mainstay until GW decides to give them another pts hike. I’ll keep your points made in mind for if that happens though.

[Master Chief]

2 harpies will always be good, tough, pack a punch and most important they can always find a way to shoot at their intended target.

[dkng]

I wouldn't say Exo and Rupturefex are comparable. They serve different purposes. RFex is an AT gun while Exo is anti-everything, excelling at killing elite infantry or lighter vehicles.
Best rule Exo has is ignoring all cover - AoC units dug in light/dense are a nightmare to shoot. Lets take a 5 man marine squad in light and dense cover. Tfex can kill 3 of them tops but realistically it's gona be just one. HVC Harpy is 6 shots, 3 hits, 2,5 wounding with 3dmg each saving on 5s; two marines dead on average. STC Harpy is avg 10 shots, 5 hits, 4,2 wounding saving on 3s so about 1,4 marine dead. Now Exo is avg 7,5 shots, 5 hits, 4,2 going through saving on 6s so 4 marines dead.
Sure this is a border case scenario but if your playing on WTC tables and your meta is packed with Marines and SoBs then the answer is simple.... yeah but it isn't. Exo is a big brick, is quite slow, has to use a Strat when it moves more than 4" to ignore cover and costs more than the Harpy (5 pts less than HVCs harpy). What helps is the profile with 15, T8 wounds and 2+ save. I think the points difference between Harpy and Exo makes the latter a poor choice in comparison to the former's flexibility and utility.

[piersonsmuppet]

Aug 21, 2022 15:43:56 GMT dkng said:

I wouldn't say Exo and Rupturefex are comparable. They serve different purposes. RFex is an AT gun while Exo is anti-everything, excelling at killing elite infantry or lighter vehicles.
Best rule Exo has is ignoring all cover - AoC units dug in light/dense are a nightmare to shoot. Lets take a 5 man marine squad in light and dense cover. Tfex can kill 3 of them tops but realistically it's gona be just one. HVC Harpy is 6 shots, 3 hits, 2,5 wounding with 3dmg each saving on 5s; two marines dead on average. STC Harpy is avg 10 shots, 5 hits, 4,2 wounding saving on 3s so about 1,4 marine dead. Now Exo is avg 7,5 shots, 5 hits, 4,2 going through saving on 6s so 4 marines dead.
Sure this is a border case scenario but if your playing on WTC tables and your meta is packed with Marines and SoBs then the answer is simple.... yeah but it isn't. Exo is a big brick, is quite slow, has to use a Strat when it moves more than 4" to ignore cover and costs more than the Harpy (5 pts less than HVCs harpy). What helps is the profile with 15, T8 wounds and 2+ save. I think the points difference between Harpy and Exo makes the latter a poor choice in comparison to the former's flexibility and utility.

The thing that I found running 2x Zoan is that most visible infantry that I cared about were neutered/killed before the shooting phase; Harpy bombs and Zoan smites. I never wanted to clear 1-2 infantry with the Exo as I needed the bodies there to charge the warriors or reposition the Reaper somewhere. This meant the Exo was mainly on anti-vehicle/monster duty, in which case I would’ve rather had a Tfex (especially since I’m running the rr hit adaptive).

The Exo’s gun isn’t what really makes me dislike it though, the blast profile is what I don’t like as it causes the Exo to be a mostly immobile platform (not my play style). If I were to take it again, I’d probably be looking at using the fallback and shoot adaptive alongside a Balethorn Flyrant, a VC/BS warrior block, and maybe some STC Carnifex.