2k Kraken list

[neridk]

I tried to make this list for engage / feasting . Engage can be make easly on t1 whit raveners and the kraken stratagem , and whit Onlsaught we can make an easy charge on t1 . 
Screamkillers can advance too for a charge setup on t2 whit the cover of the venom , the warriors bricks are always a strong treath for the other rounds .
If anyone have advice all are welcome .



++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [87 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++



+ Configuration +



Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)



Detachment Command Cost



Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim



Hive Fleet: Adaptive, Kraken



+ Stratagems +



Hive Predator [-1CP]: Extra Warlord Trait



Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact



Relic [-1CP]



+ HQ +



Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Onslaught, Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Lure

. Relic: Resonance Barb: Power: Catalyst



Winged Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 230pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Onslaught, Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite, Relic: The Reaper of Obilterax, Toxin Sacs, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology



+ Troops +



Hormagaunts [4 PL, 80pts]

. 10x Hormagaunt: 10x Hormagaunt Talons



Tyranid Warriors [12 PL, 310pts]: Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon

. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon



Tyranid Warriors [12 PL, 310pts]: Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon

. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon



+ Elites +



Pyrovores [2 PL, 40pts]: Pyrovore



Venomthropes [5 PL, 105pts]

. 3x Venomthrope: 3x Toxic Lashes



Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: 3x Zoanthrope



+ Fast Attack +



Raveners [4 PL, 105pts]

. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws

. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws

. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws



Raveners [4 PL, 105pts]

. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws

. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws

. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws



+ Heavy Support +



Screamer-Killers [21 PL, 465pts]

. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts

. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts

. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts



++ Total: [87 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++



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[zimko]

Your Neurothrope can know 1 more power. I suggest Paroxysm.

It's a solid list. I worry about the effectiveness of the Flyrant without Tyrant Guard. There are some lists that could alpha strike a Flyrant. (like orks, which ork freebooterz just got unnerfed so I expect to see more of them). And against other lists, having Tyrant Guard in a place for the Flyrant to overrun back to is a good way to get multiple assaults out of him. The Tyrant Guard themselves are not useless either as a objective holders and backup assaulters. And Kraken's Adaptive trait speed makes them more effective at their job.

So to fit them in, you could definitely drop the Pyrovore for 40 pts. Then drop 1 Warrior from each unit for 70 pts. Then you just need to find 10 pts which could be toxin sacs from one of those warrior units, spore cysts from a carnifex or downgrading horms to terms. It's up to you, but I think Tyrant Guard are worth fitting in.

EDIT: I just realized that dropping a warrior from each unit forces you to drop a venom cannon, which gives you the 10 pts you need. However, if you want to keep as many venom cannons as possible, then you can drop 2 warriors from 1 unit (including 1 venom cannon) and then drop toxin sacs from the Flyrant to give you the pts you need.

[dkng]

Toxin Sacs on Reaper Flyrant are just sweet for 5 pts as they not only mean an autowound but also an auto-mortal-wound. I'd rather drop another Warrior and spend points left on something like flesh hooks or a adaptive biology instead of taking Sacs away from the Flyrant.

[No One]

Auto wounds are best when you actually struggle to wound. Reaper flyrant wounds most things, with some level of rerolls: outside of stuff that shuts of wound rrs (and to a lesser extent trans), it's not really that impactful. Fine if you've got 5 pts spare, but I'd put it as something you consider slotting in at the end, rather than something you consider taking out. e.g. With full rrs wounding on 3s (the most 'standard' I feel), it's a measly 2.5% increase, and still only ~7% into trans, and 10% on 3+ without wound rrs. I think that's too niche (and somewhere you don't want a reaper flyrant) to be worth dropping more consistently useful things like more warriors for.

[piersonsmuppet]

I would vote for dropping all VCs & TS from Warriors, all Cysts from SK’s, and the Pyrovore. Nets you a cool 135 for TG w/ AG. Warriors primary goal is surviving on Objs, cutting a body to keep guns is counterproductive imo.

[neridk]

Thanks guys , for the feedback whit the advice i came in to this .


++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [93 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

Hive Fleet: Adaptive, Kraken

+ Stratagems +

Hive Predator [-1CP]: Extra Warlord Trait

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

Relic [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Tyrant Guard [8 PL, 120pts]
. 3x Tyrant Guard (Scything): 3x Two Rending Claws, 3x Two Scything Talons

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Onslaught, Power: Paroxysm, Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Lure
. Relic: Resonance Barb: Power: Catalyst

Winged Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 225pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Onslaught, Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite, Relic: The Reaper of Obilterax, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology

+ Troops +

Hormagaunts [4 PL, 80pts]
. 10x Hormagaunt: 10x Hormagaunt Talons

Tyranid Warriors [12 PL, 235pts]: Adrenal Glands
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon

Tyranid Warriors [12 PL, 310pts]: Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Dual Boneswords, Venom Cannon

+ Elites +

Venomthropes [5 PL, 105pts]
. 3x Venomthrope: 3x Toxic Lashes

Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: 3x Zoanthrope

+ Fast Attack +

Raveners [4 PL, 105pts]
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws

Raveners [4 PL, 105pts]
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws

+ Heavy Support +

Screamer-Killers [21 PL, 465pts]
. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts
. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts
. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts

++ Total: [93 PL, 3CP, 2,000pts] ++

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[nidzy]

I’d second dropping the spores. They were okay for me but not worth 15 points with the base survivability of the fex plus often being -1 to hit. Love sk’s though. Lots of fun when they hit and it is so fun to go fast with them.

[No One]

Eh, defensive buffs work best when stacked (generally: assuming the unit you're stacking them on isn't ignorable, which screamer-killers usually won't be, though are potentially prone to bodyblocking). And the price point is solid for what it gives: even against AP-4 you're getting a 20% boost in survivability, vs a 10% increase in cost. And it only gets better as AP gets worse. That said, it's not very useful with zoan imperative up, and is completely negated by ignores cover/melee (which...the former: isn't too common, but is on meta armies looks at sisters/Crons. And the latter is very common). So definitely not auto take or anything, but do think it's going to be very worthy of consideration (auto-take without zoans I think, but...why are you not taking zoans?).