Just because I can doesn’t mean I should? Carnival 2k list

[ausnid]

So I realise that going all in with carnifex is not the most competitive list, but if you were going to do it while making it as competitive as possible, I imagine it’s something like the below?

Keen to hear thoughts on how to tweak for optimisation - I even thought about wavering from theme and swapping one out with Zoes for the synaptic link protection, but it just didn’t feel right

Behemoth gives the reroll charge and access to the obsec monster adaptation, which seems vital given a lack of psyker means no onslaught.

Aside from Killy secondaries, I don’t know what it’s pick…maybe engage?

I spread the crushing claws around to get over the s7 hump in combat. Is it worth taking some adaptive biologies? Enraged reserves would give me a free strat (likely reroll wounds) but are others better?

All advice welcome - thanks!


++ Spearhead Detachment -3CP (Tyranids) [88 PL, 1,980pts, 2CP] ++

+ Configuration +

[Reference] Detachment Abilities

[Reference] Discipline: Hive Mind

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

Hive Fleet: (Lurk) Territorial Instincts, Behemoth

+ Stratagems +

Hive Predator [-1CP]: Extra Warlord Trait

+ HQ +

Old One Eye [11 PL, 235pts]: Warlord, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [21 PL, 480pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Crushing Claws
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Crushing Claws
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Crushing Claws

Carnifexes [21 PL, 480pts]
. Carnifex: Adrenal Glands, Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Scything Talons
. Carnifex: Adrenal Glands, Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Scything Talons
. Carnifex: Adrenal Glands, Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Scything Talons

Carnifexes [14 PL, 320pts]
. Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Crushing Claws
. Carnifex: Adrenal Glands, Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Scything Talons

Screamer-Killers [21 PL, 465pts]
. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts
. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts
. Screamer-Killer: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts

++ Total: [88 PL, 1,980pts, 2CP] ++

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[piersonsmuppet]

20 pts leftover, how bout giving the 4 HVC/CST fexen Chitin Thorns to help with AoC?

I don’t think Physiologies will do much, TS or Chitin on multiple models will probably have more impact.

Secondaries are not great; you’ve got engage, grind/no prisoners, and another kill. Replacing OOE with 2x Neuro will at least give you a chance in most games by opening up PI/WR. Behemoth has such a great power it’s a shame not to take some psykers.

I’d also split the reg Carnifex units to all 2 model units, will give you more drops during deployment. Prob split the SK’s 2/1 as well to max the HS slot for maximum drops.

Edit: Enraged Reserves only gives a free Epic Deed stratagem. Trampling Charge is the only one of those that Carnifex can use and they need tusks for it to be worthwhile. I would only ever suggest Enraged Reserves on a Malceptor, Haruspex, or Tyrannofex.

[No One]

I'd consider running Jorm over Behemoth: gives you a bit of survivability (though 18" isn't anything amazing) and the strat is neat to chuck a unit in reserves. Give one of them Synapse and you can even shard lure the charge. +1 S is useful for the scy tal fexes, but not sure you're getting enough from just the trait.

piersonsmuppet said:

Trampling Charge is the only one of those that Carnifex can use and they need tusks for it to be worthwhile.

Even that doesn't work: you're not selecting the unit, you're selecting an enemy unit within ER. Also even if it did work, 25 pts to save a CP that you'd potentially never even manage to spend (or want to) is bad. Enraged reserves is just such absolute garbage: about the only use case would be haru, where bracketing is brutal, but even so, 25 pts is the same as dermic...

[piersonsmuppet]

Hahaha, so only the Malceptor can make use of the free Epic Deed… (and GW killed the only useful Strat for it when they made PotHM character only)

[afewveiws]

++ Spearhead Detachment -3CP (Tyranids) [102 PL, -1CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

Hive Fleet: (Hunt) Ambush Predators or (Lurk) Territorial Instincts, Behemoth

+ Stratagems +

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

Relic [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Tyrant Guard [15 PL, 215pts]: Adrenal Glands
. 5x Tyrant Guard (Scything): 5x Two Rending Claws, 5x Two Scything Talons

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [9 PL, -1CP, 195pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught, Power: Unstoppable Onslaught, Relic: Shardgullet, Stratagem: Warlord Trait, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology

Old One Eye [11 PL, 235pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Parasite of Mortrex [4 PL, 80pts]: Relic: Gestation sac

+ Heavy Support +

Carnifexes [21 PL, 420pts]
.3x Carnifex: Adrenal Glands, Spore Cysts, 2x Two Carnifex Scything Talons

Carnifexes [21 PL, 405pts]
.3x Carnifex: Enhanced Senses, Heavy Venom Cannon, Two Carnifex Scything Talons

Carnifexes [21 PL, 450pts]
.3x Carnifex: Heavy Venom Cannon, Spore Cysts, Two Carnifex Crushing Claws

++ Total: [102 PL, 0 CP, 2,000pts] ++

Here's an option but looking at it I'd already change it. Just drop some upgrades from the fexes to free up enough points for minimal troops to move to battalion or possibly 2 patrols to free up some CP. Would also switch out parasite to make freeing up CP easier.

I notice that the app says OOE's weapons are different then a stock fexes... Is this true or a typo? Seems weird for the boss of fexes to be weaker then a standard fex's weapon options. 

[piersonsmuppet]

Yea, someone had the bright idea to give the named Carnifex non-Carnifex Talons and Claws…