1500pt general list

[countkrojaer]

Hi guys any help appreciated!

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1500pts (1498pts)
Jormungandr
Already selected list for 500pt to 1000pt games.

Just in case you are unfamiliar with 40k crusade, I am using army in a crusade where once it has its selected loadout, it can't be changed without using up valuable resources. Obviously in a crusade I can face many different factions so need something generally effective.

For tyrannofex my natural leaning is towards acid spray as I am facing marines, custodes, guard, imp. Knights, admech (its essentially the Imperium vs everyone else).
The only thing is, aside from my shardgullet on my walkrant, I will have no other strong long range anti-tank unless I take Rupture cannon.

Hyper Adaptive traits are usually Territorial Instincts for monster obsec or Augmented ferocity for charge buff.

Should I add some zoanthropes in?

HQ:

Hive Tyrant - Alien Cunning
Lash Whip/bonesword; shardgullet
Catalyst and Onslaught

Neurothrope - Resonance Barb
Catalyst, paroxysm, Psychic scream

Trygon Prime - Adaptive Biology for 5+ fnp
Adrenal glands
Passenger relic for + 2 to move and charge

Elites:

Tyrant Guard - bone cleaver and Lash Whip
(Can't afford crushing claws)

Malenthrope -
Smite, Psychic Scream, neuroparasite

Troops:

Tyranid warriors x3
Deathspitters and duel boneswords

Tyranid Warriors x3
Deathspitters all 1x duel bonesword, 1x LW and Sword, 1x scything t

Hormagaunts x 16

Termagants x 10

Fast Attack:

3 x Raveners - rending claws and deathspitters

HEAVY:

tyrannofex, acid spray or Rupture cannon??

Thanks guys!!

[dkng]

Swap Malanthrope for 3 Zoans. Do it. Now

Edit: hmm... it seems you meant Maleceptor instead of Malanthrope soo... this is debatable if 3 Zoans and a bunch of extra troops (like 2 more Raveners or Warriors with some VCs) will serve you better than the Maleceptor.
I'd go with Zoans and more troops but this is just my opinion. Mal is fantastic for his SI (but Zoans SI is also godly) but Zoans have more reliable MWs output and are way easier to hide plus can do some actions as they're infantry.

[No One]

Debatable? Zoan imperative>>'cepter. Zoan MWs>'cepter. Zoans are probably more survivable than 'cepter (esp in Jorm). Only advantage 'cepter has is obsec here.

Neuro should have onslaught: you want your ons to be reliable and out of deny so no point with scream (which is also an easy cast that gets nothing from +2 to cast). Alien cunning in Jorm isn't good. Give tendrils to neuro instead.

Passenger is +2 to adv+charge, not move as well.

[dkng]

Well... let's not delve into Zoans vs. Mal discussion. I agree with you but there are people saying a list without a Mal is a no-go XD and I'd dare to say - never underestimate the Mal's SI - all those actions you can do can be gamechanging - banners, interrogations, rituals - our best bets for secondary VPs. But as I said - let's not argue

Scream is a fun tool vs some armies and is affected by +to cast ("... the result of the Psychic test is higher than the Leadership characteristic of that unit, randomly select one psychic power that unit knows...") but competitively is far behind Smite with one exception - it does not need LoS to work. It's fine on a Flyrant but Neuro should always be going for Catalyst, Onslaught and Paroxysm if you take the Barb.

[countkrojaer]

Aug 1, 2022 11:15:19 GMT dkng said:

Swap Malanthrope for 3 Zoans. Do it. Now

Edit: hmm... it seems you meant Maleceptor instead of Malanthrope soo... this is debatable if 3 Zoans and a bunch of extra troops (like 2 more Raveners or Warriors with some VCs) will serve you better than the Maleceptor.
I'd go with Zoans and more troops but this is just my opinion. Mal is fantastic for his SI (but Zoans SI is also godly) but Zoans have more reliable MWs output and are way easier to hide plus can do some actions as they're infantry.

[countkrojaer]

Thanks you so much guys. I did mean maleceptor sorry.

So what I'm going to do is practice both lists. One as I have it and one with no maleceptor with zoans and extra ravenors instead.

I have a practice 1500 vs Red Corsairs on weds and then il try the 2nd variation out a week or so after.

What did you guys think on my tyrannofex acid spray vs Rupture cannon query?

Thanks

[Jbizzy]

Acid spray

[No One]

dkng said:

Well... let's not delve into Zoans vs. Mal discussion. I agree with you but there are people saying a list without a Mal is a no-go XD and I'd dare to say - never underestimate the Mal's SI - all those actions you can do can be gamechanging - banners, interrogations, rituals - our best bets for secondary VPs. But as I said - let's not argue

Anyone saying a list without a mal is a no go isn't paying attention: is a mal usuable? Yes. Are they mandatory? Heck no.

(Also bear in mind, this is Crusade: VP considerations are very different)

Scream is a fun tool vs some armies and is affected by +to cast ("... the result of the Psychic test is higher than the Leadership characteristic of that unit, randomly select one psychic power that unit knows...") but competitively is far behind Smite with one exception - it does not need LoS to work. It's fine on a Flyrant but Neuro should always be going for Catalyst, Onslaught and Paroxysm if you take the Barb.

Yeah, scream's a solid power: it's definitely not far behind smite in general, since it doesn't scale and you can cast with smite. But it's very much not a neuro power, where you've generally got better things to be doing, and if you don't then neuro's going to be reliably casting smite and having a solid shot at a super smite.