Tyr Leviathan 3 lists

[Master Chief]

Good afternoon hive, i would like to chose which of these three lists you prefer.

They are all very similar, the only difference lays in the 2nd Tyrant.

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [77 PL, 3CP, 1,670pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

Hive Fleet: Adaptive, Leviathan

+ Stratagems +

Hive Predator [-1CP]: Extra Warlord Trait

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

Relic [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Tyrant Guard [8 PL, 120pts]
. 3x Tyrant Guard (Scything): 3x Two Rending Claws, 3x Two Scything Talons

Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Hive Nexus, Power: Neuroparasite, Power: Smite, 3x Zoanthrope

+ HQ +

Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Hive Nexus, Power: Onslaught, Power: Smite, Warlord Trait: Synaptic Tendrils

The Swarmlord [11 PL, 240pts]: Power: Hive Nexus, Power: Paroxysm, Power: Smite, Power: The Horror, Warlord

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [12 PL, 305pts]: Adrenal Glands, Flesh Hooks
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

+ Elites +

Maleceptor [9 PL, 220pts]: Power: Hive Nexus, Power: Neuroparasite, Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite

Venomthropes [5 PL, 105pts]
. 3x Venomthrope: 3x Toxic Lashes

+ Heavy Support +

Exocrine [9 PL, 200pts]

+ Flyer +

Harpy [11 PL, 230pts]: 2x Heavy Venom Cannon, Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [19 PL, -2CP, 329pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Hive Fleet: Adaptive, Leviathan

+ HQ +

Winged Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 225pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Hive Nexus, Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite, Power: The Horror, Relic: The Reaper of Obilterax

+ Troops +

Hormagaunts [8 PL, 104pts]
. 13x Hormagaunt: 13x Hormagaunt Talons

++ Total: [96 PL, 1CP, 1,999pts] ++

On all the lists we will keep the Reaper flyrant.

In this one we have Swarmlord and we start on 2 CPs, so if we go first the Reaper Flyrant will have his magic number of CPs (3) to do wonders even on the first turn.

Or maybe being able to absorb a huge alpha strike by using on the opponent's T1 both the -1D on the warriors and indomitable monstrosity on a monster (mostly the Harpy in case is targeted).

And the Swarmlord will provide obsec in case needed, as Leviathan kinda struggles with obsec if we don't spam Warrior units.

Let's say that this version is a bit more tactical.



On the second instead of the Swarmlord we have a 2nd Flyrant with maw claws of thyrax.

We start only on 1 CP, but still many opponent's cannot deal with 2 flyrants.

The extra mobility and the fact that the 2nd flyrant hits more or less as hard as the Swarmlord but he does not care much about the terrain as he has fly.

Let's say that this version is a bit more violent and aggressive because the 2nd Flyrant.



On the last one we have a walk rant with a Shardgullet.

We still start on 1 CP, and the Shardgullet is a decent firing platform and in some games might be good.

I am not even considering not taking a relic on the 2nd tyrant, because instead a Walkrant with a normal HVC to save 1 CP, I'd just go for a Swarmlord.

Anyway I don't think the Shardgullet will have the same impact in a game, compared to the strategic use a Swarmlord brings or the extra violence a 2nd Flyrant bringd.




So far my favourites are the first 2 and I am quite used to play 2 flyrants and I am happy about their performance, but in case I'll post the third option that might be improved and might have something I didn't see.

And then we can also discuss about how maximising the few last points, between Voracious Ammunitions on the Exocrine, few more Hormagaunts or maybe some equipment somewhere.



But what do you guys think about it?

Please let me know and help me refine the list.

[piersonsmuppet]

Not a fan of SL in your lists. You only have the 9-man Warrior for rr’s and not many non-troop core to make use of the Obsec. SL is better with multiple units of Warriors, AG horms, GS, and Carnifex. So I think double Flyrant is going to serve you better.

Starting at 1CP is not great with the 9-man either though. 2CP for -1D is going to mean you are pretty limited in it’s use. I think 2x5 Warrior units would serve better, especially if you want to try and use SL. Everything else looks pretty standard Levi, prob will work well.

[Master Chief]

I don't understand why so many people don't like the 9 Warriors unit.

Once you start stacking all the bonuses (5++,5+++,-1 to get hit against shooting, and maybe also a -1D) those things just won't die.

Honestly I don't remember a single time in which that unit died completely in a game.

Plus a single hard unit goes in synergy with the rest of the list, which is hard units to deal with, SW (transhuman 4+, 4++), Flyrant (transhuman 4+, 4++), Exo (T8, 2+, once per game 4++), Maleceptor (transhuman 4+, 4++), harpy (4++ and for 1CP transhuman 4+). That is the whole idea behind this list.

Plus once you get a buff to hit, that unit is shooting a lot of shots and in melee has a lot of attacks.

I don't need a lot of units to buff with the SL re roll, but one or two is more than enough.

Sometimes the SL re roll is good even on units like T guards and Venomthropes, that might hit surprisingly hard, despite the thing that beating people is not their main purpose.

To be honest is exactly in the list with the SL that the 9 Warriors are better, as the SL is tougher than a normal tyrant or flyrant, I have 1 more CP and I can maximise the damage output and the resilience of the warriors, once I start stacking buffs on them.

[No One]

Master Chief said:

I don't understand why so many people don't like the 9 Warriors unit.

Once you start stacking all the bonuses (5++,5+++,-1 to get hit against shooting, and maybe also a -1D) those things just won't die.

Honestly I don't remember a single time in which that unit died completely in a game.

Because a 5 man unit's still hard to shift with those buffs and will generally still kill what it touches with those buffs, while costing less/letting you run two for flexibility in where they are, and requiring less CP.

[dkng]

Imo the best reason is that one unit can't be in two places at the same time.

[piersonsmuppet]

Jul 11, 2022 9:31:57 GMT dkng said:

Imo the best reason is that one unit can't be in two places at the same time.

I think most lists that do well in events that run a Warrior block run 2 blocks for this very reason.