1k army questions

[dkng]

Hello

This is a 1k army I want to take to a local tournament.


++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [49 PL, 1,000pts, 2CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [3CP]: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

Hive Fleet: Adaptive, Leviathan

+ Stratagems +

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

+ No Force Org Slot +

Tyrant Guard [8 PL, 120pts]
. 3x Tyrant Guard (Scything): 3x Two Rending Claws, 3x Two Scything Talons

Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite, 3x Zoanthrope

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [9 PL, 195pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Onslaught, Power: Smite, Power: The Horror, Warlord

Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Paroxysm

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [8 PL, 155pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 95pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Dual Boneswords

+ Fast Attack +

Parasite of Mortrex [4 PL, 80pts]: Relic: Gestation Sac

Raveners [4 PL, 105pts]
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws
. Ravener: Deathspitter, Two Rending Claws

++ Total: [49 PL, 2CP, 1,000pts] ++

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3 questions:
1. I dont want to start with 0 CP - would you advise to spend 1 CP on Shardgullet, Tendrils trait for Neuro or something else?
2. Better take Raveners or Venoms?
3 Horror over Neuroparasite on HT?

[piersonsmuppet]

I’m a big fan of Synaptic Tendrils over anything besides Reaper, that boost to the Psychic phase is massive.

Ravs are better at 1k I think, less shooting makes the Venoms not as great. I think this is more a preference choice though.

Neuroparasite on the Zoans. They will never cast Scream since they only have 1 cast and Smite will always be better. Neuro has a chance to be more effective vs hordes than Smite on Zoans, but Smite will probably still be the choice power 80-90% of the time. I like Horror over Scream on a Tyrant with the lashwhip, even more so here because you’ve got 3 other whip units (that 1 CP strat is going to be a bigger factor in Nephilim). I only run Scream on a Malceptor, I think it’s the worst power in the codex. Although, it might be more useful than Horror if you for-see a lot of TS/GK/CSM (legionare psykers).

[dkng]

Jul 4, 2022 14:39:40 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

I’m a big fan of Synaptic Tendrils over anything besides Reaper, that boost to the Psychic phase is massive.

Ravs are better at 1k I think, less shooting makes the Venoms not as great. I think this is more a preference choice though.

Neuroparasite on the Zoans. They will never cast Scream since they only have 1 cast and Smite will always be better. Neuro has a chance to be more effective vs hordes than Smite on Zoans, but Smite will probably still be the choice power 80-90% of the time. I like Horror over Scream on a Tyrant with the lashwhip, even more so here because you’ve got 3 other whip units (that 1 CP strat is going to be a bigger factor in Nephilim). I only run Scream on a Malceptor, I think it’s the worst power in the codex. Although, it might be more useful than Horror if you for-see a lot of TS/GK/CSM (legionare psykers).

I'm surprised you didnt say "get rid of the PoM with Sac"
Yeah Tendrils feel more enticing and I was wondering if the Shardgullet (which we all know is awesome, more so in Levi) is a bit overkill in 1k.

[piersonsmuppet]

Jul 4, 2022 14:48:12 GMT dkng said:

I'm surprised you didnt say "get rid of the PoM with Sac"

Maybe in a 2000pt game, but I think a Levi PoM w/ Sac could be very good at solo scoring 8VP+ for BEL at 1000 pts. I remember Lictors being pretty easy to DS on Incursion maps for scoring ROD in GT 2021.

Edit: PoM w/ Sac is still good in 2000 pt games as well, but only if using it for secondary scoring. PoM needs to be a part of an obvious BEL/Engage package imo.

[dkng]

Jul 4, 2022 16:10:02 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Jul 4, 2022 14:48:12 GMT dkng said:

I'm surprised you didnt say "get rid of the PoM with Sac"

Maybe in a 2000pt game, but I think a Levi PoM w/ Sac could be very good at solo scoring 8VP+ for BEL at 1000 pts. I remember Lictors being pretty easy to DS on Incursion maps for scoring ROD in GT 2021.

Edit: PoM w/ Sac is still good in 2000 pt games as well, but only if using it for secondary scoring. PoM needs to be a part of an obvious BEL/Engage package imo.

Thats the plan - sneak him on a flank, burst the Sac and score BEL. He can engage a backfield unit on his own and hold there for some time. PoMs stats are somewhat decent (offensive power is not though) and the built-in -1 to hit with no rr is good for sticking around. Raveners can hop in if needed with their speed.

[No One]

piersonsmuppet said:

I’m a big fan of Synaptic Tendrils over anything besides Reaper, that boost to the Psychic phase is massive.

Ravs are better at 1k I think, less shooting makes the Venoms not as great. I think this is more a preference choice though.

Agreed: at 1k you want your entire army doing as much directly as it can, rather than support. Tendrils helps ensure the zoans+neuro are pulling max weight, and can flex onto the tyrant for some more psychic damage as well.

I only run Scream on a Malceptor, I think it’s the worst power in the codex.

It's a no-LoS non-scaling basically-smite that you can cast with smite for a juicy 2d3 MW softener on e.g. tyrants: outside of zoans (where yes, run neuroparasite for when you don't have LoS: scream's a better generalist, but someone else can cast the WC5 power while zoans cast the WC7 power), it's one of our better powers. 100% better than horror, which usually ranges from 'meh but at least WC5 and 24" to maybe spike something (more useful in neph with less CP, but still not anything amazing)' to 'literally useless'.

I remember Lictors being pretty easy to DS on Incursion maps for scoring ROD in GT 2021.

It's very match up dependant: there's less opposition, but boards (and DZ/space to fit for engage) are also smaller. And with how 1k encourages skew, some armies will just laugh at any attempt to hide in their DZ.

In that vein, I'm not sure I like the PoM: having a secondary on lock is really strong at 1k, but I don't think it locks it at all, and with smaller DZ I'd be concerned that even the ravs wouldn't be able to score as a back up. Especially since...what's your others? I'm looking at the list and thinking MI/ritual+grind, maybe a 3rd kill or engage if desperate, try and dominate primary and rely on the fact your opponent will suck at secondaries as well (especially if you just kill most of their army ). And PoM+rippers worsens your grind: 4 VP to lose 3 VP, at the cost of 80 pts and a CP isn't great.

Other than that...probably worth dropping a warrior for a reaper flyrant instead of the walkrant. Reliable free kills are super strong at 1k. Unfortunately 5 pts off with just dropping the VCs . Deathspitters over devs unless model issue. Possibly onslaught on neuro, but also 1k boards, so adv+charge is likely to be less needed? That said, if you need it, you really want it going off, and if you don't neuro's probably happy smiting anyway.

dkng said:

Yeah Tendrils feel more enticing and I was wondering if the Shardgullet (which we all know is awesome, more so in Levi)

The thing with shardgullet is it does nothing to help with your bad match ups (i.e. just getting flooded by e.g. 100 boyz or something silly). With piles of MWs and strong anti-elite melee, you shouldn't have any trouble with what you'd take shardgullet for, at which point it's 1 out of a very limited CP pool to be better at a game you should've already won.

That said, it's 1k and you'll often have trouble being able to do anything about counter-skew, especially without just opening yourself up to different skew.

[dkng]

Devs on Warriors were an oversight - they all have Spitters.
And Walkrant vs Flyrant was a thing to consider. I can always take 10 Horms or Termas instead of Raveners to save up points but Im not sure if its worth it. Walkrant is tougher, less susceptible to be bogged down in melee and is the only unit in the army with some ranged, non-psy firepower...
Either way I'll try the list, what's the worst thing that can happen? Man has to get experience and best way to do it is to learn on one's own mistakes right?

Thanks for all the input, you guys are great

[dkng]

Alrighty... my first opponent plays Sisters. We do not know our lists, only the faction.
Do you guys have any general advice vs Sororitas?

Btw if I were to start with 0 CP after all is worth it to take the Reaper on a Walkarant?

Edit: Reconaissance mission. Any secondaries recommended? BEL seems not too hard to do right?

[dkng]

After some thoughts I came up with this abomination:


++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [33 PL, 655pts, 3CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [3CP]: 2. Incursion (51-100 Total PL / 501-1000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

Hive Fleet: (Lurk) Territorial Instincts, Adaptive, Jormungandr

+ No Force Org Slot +

Tyrant Guard [8 PL, 120pts]
. 3x Tyrant Guard (Scything): 3x Two Rending Claws, 3x Two Scything Talons

Zoanthropes [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite, 3x Zoanthrope

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [9 PL, 195pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Neuroparasite, Power: Paroxysm, Warlord

Neurothrope [5 PL, 100pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 90pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [19 PL, 345pts, -3CP] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Hive Fleet: (Lurk) Territorial Instincts, Adaptive, Jormungandr

+ Stratagems +

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

+ HQ +

Winged Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 225pts]: Adrenal Glands, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Psychic Scream, Power: The Horror, Relic: The Reaper of Obilterax

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [8 PL, 120pts]
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Dual Boneswords

++ Total: [52 PL, 1,000pts] ++

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Kind of an auto-pilot list. Should be good against Gray Knights (was thinking about Kronos to really screw their psy phase). Against sisters I think I'll stick to Levi. Yolo the Flyrant forwards, take and hold the middle with Walkarant, the rest is just to screen and hold something backfield.
Wish me luck