+3 charges from deep strike

[phishtopher]

So the other day in my crusade I unlocked a relic called the passenger. The main draw was the +2 to charge. Then I took the hive adaptation for +1 to charge,,now that I have to pick one for the whole crusade now due to the new rules.

Anyway. I placed it on a trygon prime, who buried himself, he appears turn 2 and rolls and only needs a 6 to land his charge.

What could make this better? And do you think we can get even more charge buffs?

[No One]

Fleet of foot, since you're playing Crusade. You've also got pheremone trail (not something you can just activate on demand, but if the situation comes up), and shard lure to help with consistency (though of note it's worse than CP rr, especially when you consider you're already at 'more likely than not' odds).

[acehilator]

Shard Lure for sure. You do not want your expensive melee monster sitting around looking pretty because it failed its charge. But coupled with a potential CP reroll, it's enough for charge enhancement. Next stop, give it a Warlord trait -> Heightened Senses (with Toxin Spike as the tail option).

[piersonsmuppet]

Jul 4, 2022 7:23:14 GMT No One said:

… and shard lure to help with consistency (though of note it's worse than CP rr, especially when you consider you're already at 'more likely than not' odds).

Was surprised by this. So others don’t have to look it up: 6” charge w/ Shard Lure is 89% and 6” charge w/ CP rr is 92%. Shard Lure is still very usable when going into things that add negative mods to the charge roll (eg. Custodes or Tau). Nice bit of flexibility there!

[No One]

...Huh, I thought it was always better. Thanks for getting me to check the maths on that. Of course, it's worse/basically the same until it's not worth the CP/you'll be spending on both anyway (e.g. at 9" it's ~8% better, but you've got an almost 30% chance of wasting a CP if you're not using both, and still only ~50% chance of making so you should be banking on both or not making the charge anyway). And when CP is better, it's a fair bit better (outside of making absolutely sure,) because it's not a committed spend when you're probably going to make in the first place.

[DukeMantis]

Jul 4, 2022 16:46:24 GMT acehilator said:

Shard Lure for sure. You do not want your expensive melee monster sitting around looking pretty because it failed its charge. But coupled with a potential CP reroll, it's enough for charge enhancement. Next stop, give it a Warlord trait -> Heightened Senses (with Toxin Spike as the tail option).

Why the Toxinspike specifically? I usually use Rattle

[No One]

Yeah, toxinspike is just an extra attack. You have 12. Rattle, on the other hand, is sometimes just 'you hit like a wet noodle' if you get into combat with something with full rrs.

[bigpig]

Jul 4, 2022 16:46:24 GMT acehilator said:

Shard Lure for sure. You do not want your expensive melee monster sitting around looking pretty because it failed its charge. But coupled with a potential CP reroll, it's enough for charge enhancement. Next stop, give it a Warlord trait -> Heightened Senses (with Toxin Spike as the tail option).

and he can trip his own shard lure. Been doing this for a couple weeks in a crusade. Works nicely. TPrimes can get quite nasty with battle honors

[zimko]

Is there a way to get +1 damage in crusade? A Trygon with damage 3 weapons sounds nice.

[No One]

Yes: battle trait on your weapon, so really easy to access. Not much more you can do offensively for the prime: rr 1s to hit, a Codex heroic relic (which looks quite good, but fair bit of XP to get there), and some ways to get a single attack, which on a trygon...meh. But yeah, easy D3 weapons is good.