Deathleapers after nerf

[countkrojaer]

This may be a quick one ladies and gents but do any of you feel that a deathleaper with Alien Cunning is still worth it at 120pts? Are there any points games they work better in 500pts to 2000pts? Thanking you!

[piersonsmuppet]

DL at 120 pts is fine, the loss of stranglehold was what hit DL hard. Best role now is for Behind Enemy Lines, but DL can’t score it alone.

Using Alien Cunning on DL means sticking around to score/deny Primary, so the smaller the game the better.

[countkrojaer]

Thanks mate 👍

[Raven]

Points increase + secondary changes + reduced starting CP is enough to get me to drop Deathleaper from my lists.

[countkrojaer]

Thanks Raven

[hiveoverall]

Jun 27, 2022 3:09:54 GMT Raven said:

Points increase + secondary changes + reduced starting CP is enough to get me to drop Deathleaper from my lists.

Yes I won't be playing him either, for the same reasons.

Sadly I think normal lictors are perhaps 10 or 20 points overpriced. 70 points for a 5 wound infantry model that just hits decently, doesn't shoot, and has no clear role...

Well thoses old minis never seem to catch much of a break do they ? Talking of old minis, pyrovores still seem ok for me in kraken (kronos too but I think GW killed kronos)

[infornography]

So I guess the next question for the hivemind would be...
Who is now our best assassin and are they generally considered worth it?
Deathleaper
Lictor
Parasite

I think Deathleaper still takes the crown by a slim margin and I think it can see some use, but maybe not in every list. Parasite I can see being valuable for certain tactics against certain armies, but less of a general use assassin. It is nice to have three fairly competent choices for the role for a change though since historically DL was occasionally barely usable and regular lictors were wet noodles.

[Raven]

Our best assassin is a Reaper Flyrant.

[garg]

Reaper flyrant costs a lot more and needs a list built around it. Min 400 of points and 1 CP and then you need to play cagey or you as a second detachment and tyrant costing 650 points and half or more of your starting CP.
The other three you can slot into any list.

[zimko]

Jul 5, 2022 11:13:32 GMT garg said:

Reaper flyrant costs a lot more and needs a list built around it. Min 400 of points and 1 CP and then you need to play cagey or you as a second detachment and tyrant costing 650 points and half or more of your starting CP.
The other three you can slot into any list.

Min 400 pts? Are you including the cost of Tyrant guard and Troops to come up with that number? First of all, Troops aren't a tax in this edition and Warriors especially are not a tax. Second, Tyrant Guard are decent models on their own for the cost, not good enough to take on their own but far from a tax.

The Reaper Flyrant is pretty much our only assassin. Deathleaper can't do it on his own. He's good for holding or stealing objectives but not that great at killing characters with 7+ wounds and 4+ invulnerables. There's nothing else in our codex with the killing power and mobility needed to hunt characters.

And now that almost every Chaos list is going to include an Abbadon, who has the C'Tan rule of taking only 3 wounds per phase, the Reaper Flyrant is going to be especially valuable. 

[Master Chief]

The reaper flyrant is pretty much the strongest model we have in our codex.

And like zimko said, between the necrons, the orks and the new CSMs, is just mandatory.

[garg]

200 für the tyrant plus 200 for 5*t guard so they stick around a little longer.

I agree with both of you that a reaper flyrant will still be in most lists but they take up a significant amount of starting resources.

The aforementioned units can be useful utility units which can snipe weaker characters and can be slotted into lists as needed (though I think the CP crunch also effects their utility significantly).

[zimko]

And that is the problem now with these utility units. They require CP to perform their function.

[Master Chief]

I don't think you need 5 T guards, 3 are more than enough.

I was playing before 2 flyrants and now I am playing 1 flyrant and Swarmlord and never needed more than 3 T guards.

[roystencrow]

I really liked the Deathleaper switching off strats and the cranial feasting was a great bonus. I might still use it for that reason. When a character is wounded, dropping him in to finish them off was great.

I also have been running Swarmlord or a Walking Hive Tyrant with three Tyrant Guard. Since the codex they've gone from just getting him across no mans land into the melee, to getting across with the loss of only one or two so they get a couple of rounds of combat in.