Is it fix'd?

[trashcan01]

So, I've seen the strikingscropion Codex review, but I wasn't able to see the following in the Codex:

• Double Heavy Venom Cannon on the Hive Tyrants
• 3 man squad Warriors with 2 cannon options
• Zoanthropes without Synapse keyword

From what I've seen it's basically everything we've known so far. Did any reviews show actual pages that were good enough to read?


edit: could it be that all of the above will be addressed in the rushed balance patch to be published this week?

[dkng]

We also need clarification on whether the Tyrranocyte can indeed land closer than 9” and then charge if it can then a whole new level of stinky cheese is upon us
And yeah I know this is just a wet dream but I still hope that the Gaunt Devourer profile (along the points cost) was a mistake. If it stays Devilgaunts can only hear what Neo heard from Cypher in the Matrix: Buckle your seat belt Dorothy, cause Kansas is going bye bye

[azarea18]

Linked below is a video review posted earlier. He goes through the book on camera so you can catch SOME things. For your points 1 and 2, I couldn't tell. But for the Zoanthropes, you can easily make out that the Synapse keyword IS missing. Hopefully FAQ'd quickly.

As for the T-cyte, you can't read anything but when comparing to the image of the leaked 'dex page all of the text looks to match up for length and area on the page.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0kYgsgUrZ4

[N.I.B.]

Apr 10, 2022 7:23:14 GMT dkng said:

We also need clarification on whether the Tyrranocyte can indeed land closer than 9” and then charge

Why would you think it can? It's worded verbatim like a space marine drop pod, only adds the word 'model':

Any units embarked within this transport must immediately disembark after it has been set up on the battlefield, and they must be set up more than 9" away from any enemy models.

Any units embarked within this TRANSPORT model must immediately disembark after it has been set up on the battlefield, and they must be set up more than 9" away from any enemy models.

And per the basic rules:

In any case, Strategic Reserve units cannot be set up within 9" of any enemy models.

Edit - I see now were the argument comes from, pods and T-cytes aren't Strategic Reserves, they are Reinforcements that are set up according to their own rules and lack the 9" away requirement.
So the space marine pods have been FAQ'd?

[dkng]

Oh I’m sorry but since when these are Strategic Reserves?
Units that use their own rules to show up on the battlefield do not have to follow the rules for SR.

Quote from Strategic Reserves rules:

Strategic Reserves are forces that one or both sides have chosen not to deploy at the start of the battle. These rules explain how to place units into Strategic Reserves, as well as how and when they arrive on the battlefield.

Note that these rules do not apply to units that are using other rules that enable them to start the battle in a location other than the battlefield. Such units are not placed in Strategic Reserves and they are instead set up as described by their own rules.

Quoting the Reinforcement Rules:

SETTING UP REINFORCEMENT UNITS
When a Reinforcement unit is set up on the battlefield, that unit typically must be set up so that it is more than a specified distance away from any enemy models (e.g. ‘you can set up this unit anywhere on the battlefield that is more than 9" away from any enemy models). Whenever such a distance is specified when setting up a Reinforcement unit on the battlefield, that distance always applies to the horizontal distance, even though normally you measure to and from the closest part of a model’s base (or hull). That means, if we were to use the above example, when that unit is set up on the battlefield it must be set up more than 9" horizontally from any enemy models. Note that this also applies when setting up Strategic Reserves units as well as repositioned and replacement units.

Occasionally a Reinforcement unit that is a TRANSPORT model will require any embarked units to disembark when that unit is set up (such as a unit with the Drop Pod Assault ability). A unit that disembarks from a TRANSPORT model that is a Reinforcement unit on the turn that TRANSPORT model is set up on the battlefield for the first time is also considered to be a Reinforcement unit. This only applies on the turn that the TRANSPORT model is set up on the battlefield. If a unit disembarks from that TRANSPORT model in a later turn, it is no longer considered a Reinforcement Unit.

Do you see anything about the range in Tyrranocyte’s rules? Yes, the cargo needs to disembark more than 9” from the enemy models but the ’cyte itself? It cannot be placed within engagement range and... that’s it.

Edit: I can see you concluded the same
Stupid, isn’t it? But... ppl like RAW rules around here (like double HVC Tyrant) so I’d say that for time being, dropping the Tyrranocyte closer than 9” and then charging with it is legal

[N.I.B.]

Reading up on the space marine pod, I now understand the issue - it has a rule called Death From Above that specifies it must land outside of 9". T-cyte lacks any restriction. Expect an errata within 3... 2..

[piersonsmuppet]

Apr 10, 2022 11:41:42 GMT dkng said:

... dropping the Tyrranocyte closer than 9” and then charging with it is legal

Careful with the RAW argument, technically the Tyrannocyte and Drop Pod have no rules for setting them up from deep strike. Just play it as outside 9" or a clever opponent could leave you with the Cyte and crew stuck up high for the whole game (via rule roll off).

[dkng]

Apr 10, 2022 12:20:17 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Apr 10, 2022 11:41:42 GMT dkng said:

... dropping the Tyrranocyte closer than 9” and then charging with it is legal

Careful with the RAW argument, technically the Tyrannocyte and Drop Pod have no rules for setting them up from deep strike. Just play it as outside 9" or a clever opponent could leave you with the Cyte and crew stuck up high for the whole game (via rule roll off).

No worries mate, Im a very conciliatory person
I wouldnt play the Tyrranocyte this way, as I wouldnt play a double HVC Tyrant or a 3-strong Warrior squad with VC AND a BS

[icetyrant]

Apr 10, 2022 12:20:17 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Careful with the RAW argument, technically the Tyrannocyte and Drop Pod have no rules for setting them up from deep strike. Just play it as outside 9" or a clever opponent could leave you with the Cyte and crew stuck up high for the whole game (via rule roll off).

What do you mean?
They follow the reinforcement rules which refers to the pods own rule. It states that it may be set up and in the next sentence says "after it has been set up on the battlefield". So the rules are that they can be set up in turn 1-3 with nothing prohibiting you from doing so on the battlefield (or any restrictions other than those give on the reinforcement rules).
Hopefully they clarify the rule to state a minimum distance.

Regarding the Warriors it's just really sloppy not to put both weapon in the same sentance with an or between. I really don't want to be swapping arms, so I'm hoping for business as usual.

[purestrain]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=eji2D4E4qdQ


Hive Tyrant Still has double cannons

zoes indeed dont have the Synapse keyword

Lol, my book! XD

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Going to play zoanthropes as RAI having synapse. Zoanthropes have synaptic links which requires the unit type to have synapse. To me, that indicates that zoanthropes should be synapse units.

[piersonsmuppet]

Apr 10, 2022 14:56:42 GMT icetyrant said:

What do you mean?
They follow the reinforcement rules which refers to the pods own rule. It states that it may be set up and in the next sentence says "after it has been set up on the battlefield". So the rules are that they can be set up in turn 1-3 with nothing prohibiting you from doing so on the battlefield (or any restrictions other than those give on the reinforcement rules).
Hopefully the clarify the rule to state a minimum distance.

Regarding the Warriors it's just really sloppy not to put both weapon in the same sentance with an or between. I really don't want to be swapping arms, so I'm hoping for business as usual.

Tyrannocyte and Drop Pod rules only say they can be set up T1, T2, or T3. They actually lack the 'anywhere on the battlefield more than 9" from enemy models' that every other unit with an ability to be set up off table has. So, if someone wants to pull the "oh, it doesn't say it has to be outside 9", the opponent can answer with "it doesn't say to set it up anywhere...".

Apr 10, 2022 18:00:25 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Going to play zoanthropes as RAI having synapse. Zoanthropes have synaptic links which requires the unit type to have synapse. To me, that indicates that zoanthropes should be synapse units.

Yea, they need to be played RAI as having the SYNAPSE keyword. You can't legally choose their imperative otherwise... 

[Bohxim]

They do have synapse under ability, them not having it in keywords prob is a typo.
So I guess it's not entirely illegal since synapse does appear under abilities

[garg]

Apr 10, 2022 13:07:17 GMT dkng said:

Apr 10, 2022 12:20:17 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Careful with the RAW argument, technically the Tyrannocyte and Drop Pod have no rules for setting them up from deep strike. Just play it as outside 9" or a clever opponent could leave you with the Cyte and crew stuck up high for the whole game (via rule roll off).

No worries mate, Im a very conciliatory person
I wouldnt play the Tyrranocyte this way, as I wouldnt play a double HVC Tyrant or a 3-strong Warrior squad with VC AND a BS

Who knows maybe bs VC is allowed since it's in the box 😏

[yoritomo]

No, the BS venom cannon combo is specifically disallowed by the data sheet.

That’s why there are questions about double venom cannons.