Must Have Units

[piersonsmuppet]

Shardgullet is slightly less likely to wound, but the additional 2AP is big vs units w/o Invuls and the additional damage is huge vs W5 models or W4 -1D models (which it is essentially Heavy 6 when comparing to a Pathogenesis HVC). So the choice comes down to what you want the Tyrant to target in shooting. With Custodes Bikes being a boogeyman atm, Shardgullet is the better tournament gun relic.

Edit: I should add Shard is also better into 9-10W, 13-15W, and 17W+

Edit2: For future releases, Pathogenesis looks better into Knights to specifically kill Armigers. Shardgullet looks like it might be better vs CSM for killing Obliterators and Hellbrutes (maybe nurgle bikers too).

[zimko]

I've had good success with a Shardgullet Flyrant and Tyrant Guard. Plus a Reaper Flyrant. The Tyrant Guard give them protection for at least 2 turns, because usually the Reaper Flyrant needs at least a turn to setup a good charge.

The Shardgullet Flyrant has an extra little trick up his sleeve. He can move fast and aggressive to get an angle on a target, then use 1 CP to fly out at the end of the turn (after scoring Engage and attacking something in melee). When he arrives next turn, he can pop back down in the open but within 3" of the Tyrant Guard to continue his psychic and shooting without pause.

[N.I.B.]

Yeah I think you want at least two Tyrants in your army before considering Tyrant Guards.

[bolk]

I think most lists will contain 2 detachments with 2 Tyrants, especially with Warriors being as good as they are.

[niiai]

Do tyrants need relics and warlodtraits to be good? Tripple patrol means starting on 8 cp. That might be starting a bit low.

[piersonsmuppet]

Mar 25, 2022 20:10:13 GMT niiai said:

Do tyrants need relics and warlodtraits to be good? Tripple patrol means starting on 8 cp. That might be starting a bit low.

Kraken WLT and Enraged Reserves can help offset the extra CP cost. Cranial Feasting can also help offset the CP cost as well.

[zimko]

I've been starting my games with 6 cp and it's been fine. We're not as CP hungry as we used to be.

[niiai]

Mar 26, 2022 4:50:25 GMT zimko said:

I've been starting my games with 6 cp and it's been fine. We're not as CP hungry as we used to be.

What do you spend them on? 2 detachments 2 ekstra wlt and 2 ekstra relics? Something else?

[acehilator]

We have so many good relics and WL traits, having a third detachment seems overkill. Yes three HT would be cool, but it's not that we are out of other options to spend our points on.

2x Patrol or 1x Battalion + 1x Patrol, 2x additional relic, 2x additional WL trait. 6 CP remaining, start with 7. Seeing that we are not going to blow through 6CP minimum a turn, it should be enough.