Hierodules post codex?

[calbanite]

Dules and Dima both need 17 max wounds to benefit from obscuring. The Dule base size is already a hinderance enough. And Dimas can't utilize movement shenanigans.

Scythed needs 2+ armor like all the other bugs. Both need Horned Chitin for strat shenanigans. I think that would make the Scythed very useable. The Barbed is competing vs the Exocrine and doesn't do a very good job of that. If it had 2-3 more melee attacks (4 base +2 from the talons) it would be a mid-field hybrid monster.

For melee, you have to compare them to the output / price ratio of a Screamer killer (considering Core buffs, or lack thereof). Shooting has to be compared to the Exocrine (Barbed) or maybe the Acid Spray TFex? for the Scythed.

Magical christmas land gives both Dules -1 damage like a Carnifex since Crusher Stampede is 99% getting axed.

[niiai]

Ironocally what you are describing is the Tyranofex. Stops at 17 wounds, 2+ save. ^_^

[calbanite]

Yes. The writers were painfully aware that the arbitrary wound cut-off for Obscuring was 18 wounds and it's an absolute garbage balancing mechanic.

Too bad the TFex's shooting ability got halved while only getting the weapon output boosted by like 16%. And it has no melee, so eh. TFex doesn't fill a roll in the codex for me IMO

[tylertt]

I've seen more things point to Crusher staying (though I as much fun as it would be, we would be over the top).

I just want to know the final answer on it and Leviathan

[vortexdr]

Mar 28, 2022 23:52:53 GMT tylertt said:

I've seen more things point to Crusher staying (though I as much fun as it would be, we would be over the top).

I just want to know the final answer on it and Leviathan

Crusher staying would be a joke especially if leviathan gets axed. The fact that my purchase of a expensive book could potentially be invalidated 6 months later a (please do not swear) insult and ill be sure to buy as many recast models as possible before I buy anything gw again

[jesses]

Levi and Crusher will stay unless specifically FAQ'd out. I really would be surprised if Crusher gets axed, it's frankly not anywhere near the force-multiplier in the new Codex as it was in the previous.

- Losing the Hyper-Adaptations is a big deal. Especially in a tournament setting where being able to list tailor legally is a huge benefit. Right now we can treat Crusher as more or less a different Hive Fleet Adaptation, you know exactly what you are losing.

- A lot of units have gained some of the benefits of Crusher innately. Lictors have a 5+ invuln already, Carnifex already have the -1D, etc. In addition, the increase in saves on a lot of profiles means that a lot of common AP values are just ending us at a 5+ anyways. AP-3 is super common on the heavy weapons and now with Crusher we have a 5+ or... 5+ from the armour save anyways.

I'm not saying Crusher is useless, far from it, but it's relative strength has dropped considerably. I can't see any reason why they would invalidate it.

[Bohxim]

Iirc, cap of +- 1 is only for to hit rolls. There isn't a limit on damage multipliers right?
So theoretically, we could get - 2D carnifexen in CS with new Codex rules. That could let it easily take 1-2 rounds of dreadnoughts punching back

[TheDeepestShadow]

Mar 29, 2022 3:25:38 GMT Bohxim said:

Iirc, cap of +- 1 is only for to hit rolls. There isn't a limit on damage multipliers right?
So theoretically, we could get - 2D carnifexen in CS with new Codex rules. That could let it easily take 1-2 rounds of dreadnoughts punching back

Except for the fact that the Carnifex rule for -1D specifically says it doesn't stack with other damage reduction effects. GW did learn from the end of 8th with Custodes dreadnoughts.

[piersonsmuppet]

Mar 29, 2022 3:07:06 GMT jesses said:

Levi and Crusher will stay unless specifically FAQ'd out. I really would be surprised if Crusher gets axed, it's frankly not anywhere near the force-multiplier in the new Codex as it was in the previous.

- Losing the Hyper-Adaptations is a big deal. Especially in a tournament setting where being able to list tailor legally is a huge benefit. Right now we can treat Crusher as more or less a different Hive Fleet Adaptation, you know exactly what you are losing.

- A lot of units have gained some of the benefits of Crusher innately. Lictors have a 5+ invuln already, Carnifex already have the -1D, etc. In addition, the increase in saves on a lot of profiles means that a lot of common AP values are just ending us at a 5+ anyways. AP-3 is super common on the heavy weapons and now with Crusher we have a 5+ or... 5+ from the armour save anyways.

I'm not saying Crusher is useless, far from it, but it's relative strength has dropped considerably. I can't see any reason why they would invalidate it.

Every other monster than Carnifex still benefits more from Crusher rules than with the fleet traits. So the Carnifex getting -1D built-in is a bit of a moot point agaist CS still being strong.

I would honestly just run CS to spam Warriors. They gain a 5++, which is better than Levi vs S9 and lower. However, they still get the Transhuman strat too. Additionally, every other faction is limited to one Transhuman strat per phase. I think the intent is to keep multi Transhuman locked to Levi for Nids.

Our Tyrants, specifically with Reaper, are absolutely broken in CS. 5+3d3 attacks means the Reaper will output at least 7 MWs against even T8. Maw Claws are similarly unbalanced with BS Tyrants or a Tervigon (22 S8 AP-3 D2 attacks…).

If CS stays, there will be VERY few reasons to not run it and it will be even stronger than before with the updated profiles. So it has to go for matched play.

[nameless]

Mar 28, 2022 22:48:23 GMT calbanite said:

Yes. The writers were painfully aware that the arbitrary wound cut-off for Obscuring was 18 wounds and it's an absolute garbage balancing mechanic.

Too bad the TFex's shooting ability got halved while only getting the weapon output boosted by like 16%. And it has no melee, so eh. TFex doesn't fill a roll in the codex for me IMO

How did you figure this out?

6 shots, S10, AP-3, D1d6

To

3 shots, S14, AP-4, D1d6+4

Is not only a 16% increase. The Strength is +4, the AP is -1, and the damage is more than double (i.e. half shots, but double damage, 3.5D vs 7.5D), meaning it comes out ahead on the rupture. And, the biggest bonus is that it can move, has extra W, has a 2+; these are massive when compared to an unmoving thing.

[beetlejuice]

Mar 29, 2022 3:56:32 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Mar 29, 2022 3:07:06 GMT jesses said:

Levi and Crusher will stay unless specifically FAQ'd out. I really would be surprised if Crusher gets axed, it's frankly not anywhere near the force-multiplier in the new Codex as it was in the previous.

- Losing the Hyper-Adaptations is a big deal. Especially in a tournament setting where being able to list tailor legally is a huge benefit. Right now we can treat Crusher as more or less a different Hive Fleet Adaptation, you know exactly what you are losing.

- A lot of units have gained some of the benefits of Crusher innately. Lictors have a 5+ invuln already, Carnifex already have the -1D, etc. In addition, the increase in saves on a lot of profiles means that a lot of common AP values are just ending us at a 5+ anyways. AP-3 is super common on the heavy weapons and now with Crusher we have a 5+ or... 5+ from the armour save anyways.

I'm not saying Crusher is useless, far from it, but it's relative strength has dropped considerably. I can't see any reason why they would invalidate it.

Every other monster than Carnifex still benefits more from Crusher rules than with the fleet traits. So the Carnifex getting -1D built-in is a bit of a moot point agaist CS still being strong.

I would honestly just run CS to spam Warriors. They gain a 5++, which is better than Levi vs S9 and lower. However, they still get the Transhuman strat too. Additionally, every other faction is limited to one Transhuman strat per phase. I think the intent is to keep multi Transhuman locked to Levi for Nids.

Our Tyrants, specifically with Reaper, are absolutely broken in CS. 5+3d3 attacks means the Reaper will output at least 7 MWs against even T8. Maw Claws are similarly unbalanced with BS Tyrants or a Tervigon (22 S8 AP-3 D2 attacks…).

If CS stays, there will be VERY few reasons to not run it and it will be even stronger than before with the updated profiles. So it has to go for matched play.

The combos you mention will be super strong, yes. But overall I don’t think CS+new codex is broken since all the good things are naturally balanced by CS limitations. Tyrants? 2 CP for every extra. Warrior spam? Need as many monster units which gets pricey fast. CS has no way to make big scary monsters obsec if the Levi strat disappears, there’s no hive commander for sending dimas/flyrants 24-32” into auto charge. Harpy can no longer steal objectives. In my experience, CS scoring was quite reliant on op hive guard which are also dead.

If levi strat stays together with CS I do think we will have a problem in being over the top. Otherwise CS will be a strong contender for best hive fleet but not auto take for every list. The risk for broken lists always increases with the number of layers of rules available ofc.

[tomb]

How do Dimas look in the new codex?

i haven't taken the time to 'digest' the leaked book yet.

I still want to run triple Dima when the book drops, what hive fleet and support bugs should I be considering and why?

Cheers!

[tylertt]

Mar 29, 2022 0:58:18 GMT vortexdr said:

Mar 28, 2022 23:52:53 GMT tylertt said:

I've seen more things point to Crusher staying (though I as much fun as it would be, we would be over the top).

I just want to know the final answer on it and Leviathan

Crusher staying would be a joke especially if leviathan gets axed. The fact that my purchase of a expensive book could potentially be invalidated 6 months later a (please do not swear) insult and ill be sure to buy as many recast models as possible before I buy anything gw again

Oh I completely agree with you on the books. With the new GT book and all the supplements for Nids, I've spent more on books than I ever have in the previous few years.

Personally I want them to stay just so our money spent wasn't just for a few short months of a bandaid.

[tylertt]

Mar 29, 2022 5:36:02 GMT tomb said:

How do Dimas look in the new codex?

i haven't taken the time to 'digest' the leaked book yet.

I still want to run triple Dima when the book drops, what hive fleet and support bugs should I be considering and why?

Cheers!

Levi is going to be one of the top dogs no matter what, especially with Hive Nexus. Kraken definitely a solid option after that as its adaption and Onslaught can make the T1 charge real again for the Dima. Onslaught working through synaptic link range is big for avoiding denies too

Outside of fleet choices, I've been considering doing a double dima run and putting synapase on one (I'm using Levi) for the 1-3 transhuman and then dermic on the other dima. Use Hive Nexus to consistently get the 4++ from zoeys on the Synapse Dima and then launch them in

[jesses]

7MW, on average not at least, and it's only on 1 unit that costs 205pts, and you need a Warlord Trait, Relic, psychic power AND 1CP to pull it off. You and I have a very different definition of overpowered.