Secondaries?

[niiai]

What secondaries in what cults are you taking? And how does those lists look?

Personally I am a bit uncertain on retrieve nacmund data. It can be a bit hit or miss depending on terrain. But often 45 points of cultists come in only to be shot down afterwards or have very little to do. (Sometimes they can walk 6" and retrieve again.) I have never done claim banners, but I think either of these can be great with hive cult.

I do like engage on all fronts. I like ouer vehicles. Lone ridgerunners with rockets and flarelaunchers is a good unit to get it with, and to hold objects. Flare launchers make them hard to charge, and 14" is so long.

I often end up grabbing one of the generic kill x something something.

I have tried 3 psykers and psykick interegation. But not I'm really aggressive lists. (VS an ork the psykers only lived until turn 3.) But it can bee good in a defensive list. I am trying that as well as to the last tomorrow. My 2 the last will be a unit of 3 ridgerunners, one of 2 ridgerunners and patriarch with familiar is my 3rd. Also 3 small holes to get engage on all front. No retrieve nacmund data here. The custom cult I have is:
negate modefiers on industrial weapons
Mini transhuman
Feel no pain on bikes and cars
Better psykick

[wormlord666]

Broodswarm is good if you run lots off infantry. Easier than engage in my view. To the last can work if you get 2 patriarchs as most expansive for example. One stylrmis to tak broodwarm, RND and a secret one that can be TTL or assasinate.

[Hive Bahamut]

I really wish we had a decent book option. A lot of people claim that GSC is "the best" at secondaries, but what they also don't seem to connect is we are one of the best at giving them up too.

RND caps at 12, while your opponent just got 15 for Grind them down. So far we are -3.

Engage/Swarm/Strangle for probably 8-12, while your opponent picked up the same from your basically free Assassinate. Still -3 but likely -5 now.

TTL requires an entirely skew list, that is heavily counter intuitive to how a throwaway army works.

Psychic actions are an entirely stupid category. Either OP against an army or entirely useless. Why can these actions be denied, while the rest can't?

The rest are just meh.

So you are down Primary points, now you are down secondaries. I can see why the GSC board died entirely when whispers of Nids came back. 9th lives and dies by good secondaries and we have none.

[piersonsmuppet]

Are Deploy Homers and Behind Enemy lines not good picks for GSC? I would have thought that with the amount of DSing troops, both would be fairly easy to max.

[kazetanade]

Mar 30, 2022 15:56:39 GMT Hive Bahamut said:

I really wish we had a decent book option. A lot of people claim that GSC is "the best" at secondaries, but what they also don't seem to connect is we are one of the best at giving them up too.

RND caps at 12, while your opponent just got 15 for Grind them down. So far we are -3.

Engage/Swarm/Strangle for probably 8-12, while your opponent picked up the same from your basically free Assassinate. Still -3 but likely -5 now.

TTL requires an entirely skew list, that is heavily counter intuitive to how a throwaway army works.

Psychic actions are an entirely stupid category. Either OP against an army or entirely useless. Why can these actions be denied, while the rest can't?

The rest are just meh.

So you are down Primary points, now you are down secondaries. I can see why the GSC board died entirely when whispers of Nids came back. 9th lives and dies by good secondaries and we have none.

Just FYI. I have been on 40-43 on secondaries vs enemy's 20-30 consistently.

TTL has been very good for me - 10 Abbies, 20 Neophytes, and/or 15 Acolytes fits great into my gameplan and safety. 3 Ridgerunners can do it as well albeit with higher cp expenditure. Being able to keep it hidden is a big deal, since no one but you knows which are the TTL targets. Just don't cheat.

The last guy that picked Grind vs me scored 6 for the entire game.That was vs a Tripsurge Tau.

1st turn is almost always a loss/no score. 5th turn is always a no score. So they're 9pts on GTD, max 12.


I've lost max 6pts on Assassinate - its harder than expected to score this, as long as you aren't careless/sloppy.

Broodsurge, strangle, and EoAF are interesting choices in general - interchangeable, and excelling in different situations.

Based on my exp, the only objective we give up is No Prisoners, since we do play a lot of infantry as a default, but even that can be mitigated with a Combined Arms Approach to list building, which does also work quite well.

These are just personal anecdotes, but I really like gsc with the standard GW Open terrain styles, even if a little more skewed or slanted to benefit shooting. In my old meta and old terrain setup the army would be unplayable, but having somewhere to hide or move to on midfield makes a really big difference to viability of the army. It may sound weird, but I really like GSC as an army and think it's a better (if not necessarily stronger) army than Nids are and I do not look forward to playing the new Nids codex.

[wormlord666]

It is good to here Kaze and I have seen others post similar posts. Myself I have struggled in finding a balance between a ”good secondary game but poor prinary game” and a ”good on primary, bad on secondaries”
Like you, I still enjoy the codec even though I have a horrible stats and struggle to win games. The fact that others succed inspires.

I feel a bit hesitant towards teleport homers, since it could be screened out, but I can also see the advantages from RND in that you can do in the same part of the board many times med do not need to drop down all over the place.

I am trying a neophyte horde now and expect broodswarm to be easy and with a Clamavus involved I hope to get som actions while shooting to. Third one is tricky. I have many snipers and no psyker so there are some options there.