Do we even Ambush?

[zigzagzen]

For an Ambush army why don't we have a single unit that can just simply be deployed outside of our deployment zone?  I mean seriously did we just not get the memo?

[Hive Bahamut]

It was "A plan generations AND A TURN in the making." They planned and studied but missed the alarm.

[kazetanade]

Feb 28, 2022 4:37:54 GMT zigzagzen said:

For an Ambush army why don't we have a single unit that can just simply be deployed outside of our deployment zone?  I mean seriously did we just not get the memo?

You have two units that can be moved retroactively into the midfield, and 2 units that have scout moves into the midfield.

It isn't that bad. Ambush allowing you to deploy in midfield straight would be broken, as you could literally STOP enemy T1 movement and safely move the blips back into your deployment zone.

[niiai]

The fast attack bikes and fast attack buggies can do a scout move.

One unit can move at the start. (Or disapear.)

We can come in from strategic resreves with one unit turn 1.

I think that is T1 stuff. But charging from reserves and coming in within 3" is very powerfull turn 2. You can also drill open a terrain, but results may vary.

[kukie]

Marines can forward deploy Phobos troops for. a while now,
1000 sons can forward deploy units (I've been burned by the Rubric flame bomb turn one and it hurts).
Orks can forward deploy Kommandos

lots of armies have ways of getting in your face turn one. GSC have tricks but yeah, not sure why acolytes can't just deploy mid board???

[niiai]

It is a game. They divide the game mechanics up into parts and give people different parts. We have the best deepstrike in the game come turn 2.

Eldar and SM can deepstrike turn 1.SM can forward deploy. We have 2 good units with cout move. As well as one prolific planing for turn 1 move and coming in from reserves turn 1.

It is a game. If you do not like it play another army.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Think of it this way:
Forward deploying before turn 1 is what scouts would do. You're scouting the battlefield.

Ambushing is waiting for enemies to get to the right position before striking. You're not forward deployed as much as lying in wait.

With that in mind, I think that the rules make sense for GSC. They don't need to scout the battlefield as they already know where their opponent will be going and what the terrain looks like.

[orfey]

I'm collecting GSC since quite a time, but well - at the current state of things if I decide to actually put a resonable hunk of my forces into deep strike / ambush, the first turn is just a struggle for survival against overwhelming firepower from the enemy.

I don't really play Nids themselves, if we talk about allies I'm more Guard kind of person, I've loved the faction since DoW Winter Assault - but my buddy who plays tyranid told me today about leaks on nid genestealers, and that it seems you can deploy them 9" from enemy deploy now. This feels... well, how else to put it: unjust. I'm sure our Nid brothers has some other nice toys / regular durable army to field, but GSC rely on tricks and ambushes. Yet it's our version of genestealers, which are unable to get to the enemy closer.

[kazetanade]

Gsc genestealers retain Advance and Charge - Nids stealers lost it.

That's a faux comparison.

[orfey]

Oh, I see - I wasn't aware of it. Makes more sense now - seems they really play differently. Still though I believe it should be the other way around to stick to the gameplay themes of the armies.

[niiai]

Mar 16, 2022 8:45:40 GMT kazetanade said:

Gsc genestealers retain Advance and Charge - Nids stealers lost it.

That's a faux comparison.

Well, the nids can pour on a whole of buffs we can't do. They serve the role the atelan bikers do in ouers there.