Hybrid Metamorphs?

[niiai]

When do you see yourself using metamorphs?

They are glorified Accolytes with better streangh and if they get wiped before they can attack they can stil attack.

The only way I see me using them are charging out of trucks or goliats outside of twisted helix? (S5 is enough, S6 seems like a lot.)

Thoughts?

[kazetanade]

PP as budget Purestrain.

Countercharge unit that can Heroic Intervention.

Maybe something out of a Truck?

[purestrain]

They have 1 more attack than acolytes do, and can fight on death so I guess they can be a decent screen for heavy weapons you want to live in say a Hive Cult... cult?

[niiai]

Both good points. I did in fact use them in 8th codex as acolytes 7 to 9. And one ambisius game to unlock a full brigade. I certainly have fond and tight dice rolling memories my ork opponent failing to shoot me, me firing overwatch with hand flamers and him fighting with me fighting on death with lash whips.

I should point out that Accolytes with no facy weapon have an extra attack from their claws and knife. On par with metamorphs.

Yeah, body guards out of vehicles I have thought. But then with the unquestioning loyalty most Neophytes can perform that job as well.

[wormlord666]

S5 vs S4 is great. The fight on death is great. I use them as ”the third charge”. I go first with one, make one other enemy fight last, and if they want to interrupt on the metas, they still get to fight and trade good.

[kazetanade]

Its all about damage output. Iirc Metas will do the same amount of dmg as PGS per A, so a buffed meta will get as many dead as an unbuffed PGS. If this is sufficient, Metamorphs are good units.

If this is NOT enough, then their fight when die mechanic isn't really pulling enough weight as a trading unit.

So I think that's the first question you need to answer, and it's highly dependant on what you're going to be fighting against. You'll definitely want Metamorphs and PGS into AdM skiitari spam for eg, and may not care as much into DE Good Stuff.

[orfey]

They seem to do the job against dark eldar - since in 9th we don't get access to Iconward giving this sweet +1S bonus banner aura, Twisted Helix Metamorphs seem to be a good way to deal with T6 units, and modern deldars have plenty of those (also you never know if you simply need to crack those flying boats with meaty filing - or are you going to face covens with bunch of tough creatures to crack str-wise).

[kukie]

with the Dataslate, and Marines coming back into the meta, there AP-3, str 5 and lots of attacks makes them look really good. I got 10 kitted out with flamers (personally I wish I kitted every acoylyte/metamorph I have with flamers except 5 maybe as the RND squad). the melee attacks kill marines/tau and the flamers kill Eldar... perfect unit for anything in the meta

[bobthegenestealer]

I've had very good success with them charging out of deep strike. They only have 1d per attack so they're better IMO against units with low wound counts despite their number of attacks and ap -3, but they've torn through the better chunk of a unit of ork bikers before.

I run a custom cult with Accustomed to toil (unmodified wound roll of 1 or 2 always fails) and toxin agents (unmodified hit roll of 6 auto-wounds), then give them A Trap Sprung (roll 3d6 to charge, drop lowest dice). As many as allowed also carry hand flamers.

Deep strike, hit em with Might From Beyond for the extra attack, and barbecue what you can with the flamers first. They have the crossfire ability so if you nailed your target with a marker from a well positioned unit, the flamers can be +1 to wound. Get your charge off and with a 10 man block you've got 41 attacks at s5, ap -3, with auto wound on 6s.

It'd be deadlier with Twisted Helix against t5 units, but it's been working well for me.