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[thebrownplague]

Hello all,

I am considering creating a Twisted Helix GSC battalion and adding a Leviathan Tyranid patrol.

What do I lose in doing so? 

Do I still get the +1 move, +1 Str, mini trans for Twisted Helix? Do I lose Crossfire? What do I lose in the Tyranid detachment? Can I still use the GSC secondary regarding having more models in a table zone and count tyranid models toward this?

Thanks for your help!

[puppylaser]

You keep everything from the Tyranid side of things. As for Genestealer cults, you lose crossfire and you lose their books secondaries so the extra model one is no good.

[niiai]

Looing crossfire could be a big one. But with tyraid models in the mix it could be hard to trigger it anyway as you need double GSC units on either side. (There are some stratagems that make it count as exposed. I am not shure if they work longer. Somebody who is not me would have to look into that.) Melee GSC would not care much anyway, and if you go twisted helix that might not be a big loss. You do loose the fight last stratagem though as it requiers a crossfire token. Tyranid psykick powers can help with that.

What sort of army are you picturing?

[thebrownplague]

Thanks for the help! I am considering the following:

Patriarch (Twisted Helix) with 6's auto wound and +1 attack spells
2 units of 10 acolytes (drills)
1 unit of 5 acolytes (demo charge)
Kellermorph
2 units of 10 purestrains
2 units of 5 bikes with demos

Neurothrope  - Catalyst and reroll trait
2 units of 30 devilgaunts
3 warriors with +1 to hit trait
6 hive guard - adaptive physiology
3 venomthropes

GSC delivers the combat, Nids deliver the shooting. I won't need crossfire for that

[niiai]

How many points is that? It seems light.

How are you delivering the GSC part to combat? On squad can charge 3d6. And the purest rains can run. But the rest seems slow.

I am not sold on the gaunts. Perhaps if they started or board and a lictor deliver them.

[thebrownplague]

Hi Niiai,

It is 80 points light, but I was going to add 3d6 charge on one unit of acolytes, +1 attack on one genestealer unit and and 3" deploy on the small acolyte squad. I should still have some points left over I think.

I have been considering the Lictor deployment as well. I would need to remove the Venomthropes though as the detachment only allows 2 elites....