Bladed Cog First Attempt

[arcturustt]

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Acolyte Iconward, Single Minded Obsession

Patriarch, Alien Majesty
Powers: Broodvolt Surge, Power: Mind Control, Psychic Stimulus,
Warlord with leaders strat

Primus Biomorph Adaptation

Troops

5x3 Acolytes with 2 rock cutters

20 Neophytes with 4 Seismic Cannons

20 Neophytes with 4 mining lasers

10 Neophytes with Shotguns

Elites

9 Abberants, A Trap Sprung, Enhanced Resilience, xenoform bionics

Abominant, Amulet of the voidworm

Biophagus, Alchemist Supreme

Kelermorph , A Perfect Ambush, Gene-Sire's Gifts, Wyrmtooth Rounds

Nexos, Cranial Inlay, Gene-Sire's Gifts

Fast Attack

4 Atalan Jackals with 1 incinerator wolfquad (x2)


Heavy Support

3 x Goliath Rockgrinders, Cache of Demolition Charges, Clearance Incinerator

7CP, 1,999pts

Decently durable list with lots of close range shooting, to help bully units off of mid field objectives. Biggest point sink is the Abberant bomb but in theory, with 5++/5+++ and 1- dam can be pretty durable and very threating with an abominant. Have it go right in the the middle or most threating areas and the Rockgrinders can pick out isolates units/objectives. Neophytes hang around primus, iconward, nexos, biophagus and patriarch to help create a regenerating immovable shooting platform.

[wormlord666]

Don´t forget that with the abberants you can also use "transhuman" to boost there survivability and with that many neophytes you can use "lurk in the shadows" to make them untargetable until all neophytes are gone.
Personnaly I would rather have amulett of the voidwyrm on the abominant but I guess it´s situational. The "autosave" and remove overwatch seem nice to me. Then the WL trait on the Iconward: wouldn´t the bladed cog one be better for him? He´l stick around behind the neophytes anyway so the chance of him getteing charged in a situation where that matters is not so big is it? But re-roll wound is huge for the neophytes?

[arcturustt]

I forgot about the bladed cog warlord trait, ya that would be better. I'll edit the list to include. Also changed the abominant to have the amulet.

[hivemind03]

I would drop 1 Aberrant to give the last Neophyte unit heavy weapons. In fact I would think about dropping the aberrants entirely or just doing 5 in one of the Rockgrinders which would free up an Acolyte unit to Excavate.

If you are going to invest over 400 points in Abberants and their support I would pick a Cult that adds something to them.

Last, maybe split the Jackals in two so they can more easily be used to spread Crossfire and Exposed.


Edit: sorry I was reading this as a Hive Cult list. Too much skipping around posts. Go ahead and leave the Aberrants as is to start.

[arcturustt]

Would splitting the bikes into 2 squads be beneficial? I kept them in one to benefit from strats, but 2 squads would make better harass units and pull off cross fire better. 
As for the 3rd small neophyte squad, i could take out an aberrant to give them heavy weapons, but i figured keeping them as a cheap shotgun squad to deepstrike can help grab objectives and get exposed for other squads. 

[hivemind03]

Jan 18, 2022 16:04:59 GMT arcturustt said:

Would splitting the bikes into 2 squads be beneficial? I kept them in one to benefit from strats, but 2 squads would make better harass units and pull off cross fire better. 
As for the 3rd small neophyte squad, i could take out an aberrant to give them heavy weapons, but i figured keeping them as a cheap shotgun squad to deepstrike can help grab objectives and get exposed for other squads. 

I think the benefits of two small squads is greater than the benefit of strat efficiency. I would keep them as 10 if you were planning on jamming them in combat or Biophagus buffing them. I think you'll be using most of your strats on the big Neophyte units more often than the bikes.

As for the shotgun squad, go ahead and give the 9 Abberants a try and if you find they are plenty then you can try backing off 1 or 2. I've heard a lot of people like 7 but if i was spending 2 cp for Bionics I would be taking as many as I could too.

[arcturustt]

Jan 18, 2022 16:31:51 GMT hivemind03 said:

Jan 18, 2022 16:04:59 GMT arcturustt said:

Would splitting the bikes into 2 squads be beneficial? I kept them in one to benefit from strats, but 2 squads would make better harass units and pull off cross fire better. 
As for the 3rd small neophyte squad, i could take out an aberrant to give them heavy weapons, but i figured keeping them as a cheap shotgun squad to deepstrike can help grab objectives and get exposed for other squads. 

I think the benefits of two small squads is greater than the benefit of strat efficiency. I would keep them as 10 if you were planning on jamming them in combat or Biophagus buffing them. I think you'll be using most of your strats on the big Neophyte units more often than the bikes.

As for the shotgun squad, go ahead and give the 9 Abberants a try and if you find they are plenty then you can try backing off 1 or 2. I've heard a lot of people like 7 but if i was spending 2 cp for Bionics I would be taking as many as I could too.

Ok good point on putting most CP on the neophytes squads. With the bionics on the Abberants i will only start with 7 CP (-1 for the extra warlord traits, -2 for 2 extra relics, and -2 for the bionics, nexos will help offset this though) went ahead and edited the list to reflect. 

[acehilator]

I think you need more than 9 Abberants to warrant taking the Abominant. Like 15 at least. Ditch the Acolytes, they are way better in Twisted Helix. You could also strip the Wolfquads from the Jackals, and use a Sanctus sniper for second Crossfire marker instead.

[arcturustt]

Jan 19, 2022 22:06:38 GMT acehilator said:

I think you need more than 9 Abberants to warrant taking the Abominant. Like 15 at least. Ditch the Acolytes, they are way better in Twisted Helix. You could also strip the Wolfquads from the Jackals, and use a Sanctus sniper for second Crossfire marker instead.

The acolytes go in the rock grinders and are there mainly for more troops and objective grabs with the rock grinders. Agreed they would be better in TH, but I think with the heavy weapons coming out of rock grinders they fill a good niche needed in the list.

For the abberants I'm trying to keep it on one squad to avoid a total point sink and get the most out of the biophagus and bionics Strat combo for the 5++/5+++. Any more I feel I would need to split the squad and it won't be worth the investment. Could try to fit in one more for a full squad.

The jackals I put in the wolfquads for more wounds and easy way to get more crossfire/exposed tokens for auto hits (might even get lucky with recovery from the iconward banner for heals), but the sanctus is a good point for a more consistent way to get more crossfire, but would that make the list having too many characters? I guess I could switch out the abominant for an extra Abberant and sanctus.