I'm slow.

[bobthegenestealer]

Ok me hearties, bearing in mind there are no stupid questions just stupid people, quick question.

The Crossfire Markers portion of the Crossfire rule in the codex states:

"In your Shooting phase, each time a CROSSFIRE unit is selected to shoot, if all of those attacks target one enemy unit without a crossfire marker, after resolving those attacks, the target gains a crossfire marker if any of the following conditions were satisfied:"

To that end, if there's a 10 man block of neos, they all have to fire at the same target and resolve all their attacks before the marker plops down, correct? You can't say let loose a mining laser, get your 2D hit, plop that thing down then have the rest of the squad fire?

I'm of the opinion that everything eligible from a unit has to go into the target and be resolved before anything can be tagged or any benefits received.

Thoughts?

[purestrain]

Jan 18, 2022 1:23:59 GMT bobthegenestealer said:

Ok me hearties, bearing in mind there are no stupid questions just stupid people, quick question.

The Crossfire Markers portion of the Crossfire rule in the codex states:

"In your Shooting phase, each time a CROSSFIRE unit is selected to shoot, if all of those attacks target one enemy unit without a crossfire marker, after resolving those attacks, the target gains a crossfire marker if any of the following conditions were satisfied:"

To that end, if there's a 10 man block of neos, they all have to fire at the same target and resolve all their attacks before the marker plops down, correct? You can't say let loose a mining laser, get your 2D hit, plop that thing down then have the rest of the squad fire?

I'm of the opinion that everything eligible from a unit has to go into the target and be resolved before anything can be tagged or any benefits received.

Thoughts?

"after resolving those attacks" means after the units done shooting with the attacks it can do, so yes, its afterward. Unless you play Hivecult, they have a 1cp stratagem to put a marker on someone BEFORE the shots are made, theres also the nexus, iirc.

[niiai]

Hive cult. Nexos. Sniper. These are good at putting down markers.acilytes with two handlamers is very guaranteed, so is 10 naked Neophytes.

[acehilator]

Yeah, you want dedicated units for Crossfire. Crossposting a post I made on Dakkadakka regarding this topic:

Best sources of Crossfire Markers:

1. Nexos. Put a marker on a unit anywhere on the battlefield, no questions asked (no LoS required). His ability "Strategic Coordination" allows you to transfer character buffs from other characters in the backline to the front. The Nexos-only relic "Cranial Inlay" gives him CP regen on a 5+, and he can use "Strategic Coordination" twice. 50 points. Auto-include imho.

2. Sanctus with Cult Sniper Rifle. 36" range, Heavy 1, D2, autohit. So he can move around to draw LoS and shoot, even after advancing in Rusted Claw. No need to use a relic on him for Crossfire duty. 70 points. Also auto-include for lists leaning heavily into ranged/Crossfire, imho.

3. Jackal Alphus. Her buffing potential is not that great actually ("Priority Targeting" has some annoying limitations, not only in regards to CORE units, but also interaction with stratagems that require "true" exposed, and don't work with "Priority Targeting"). But it's still there, and M14 instead of M6 for the Sanctus. BS 2+, 3+ after moving. 80 points. Probably really good (and thematic) in Rusted Claw, otherwise not so much.

4. "Oppressor's Bane" autopistol relic. Only 15" range, but nice stats, always counts as having Crossfire/Exposed active, and gives the wearer the Crossfire keyword. Chuck it on a buff character and call it a day. Primus sadly cannot take it, prime candidates are Biophagus and Clamavus.

5. 5 Acolytes with some Hand Flamers. You need to roll really badly to not get five hits, but it's still 50-60 points for a throwaway unit. Max. one these, I guess.

Honourable mention: Rockgrinder with Incinerator. Flamer + Stubbers on one target, charge another.

[bobthegenestealer]

K, one other for now. The Twisted Helix/Myriad Cult trait "Accustomed to Toil."

"Each time an attack is made against a unit with this creed, an unmodified wound roll of 1 or 2 always fails, irrespective of any abilities that the weapon or the attacker may have."

If you're attacked with a weapon that states "You can re-roll failed wound rolls for this weapon," when does the trait activate?

Example: You're attacked with a weapon that allows re-rolls of failed wounds that would normally wound on a 2+. Your opponent rolls a 2. Since you're Accustomed to Toil, 2s fail. Do they get to re-roll that 2, or is it just shrugged off akin to a FNP?

[kazetanade]

They reroll it in general, since unmodified wound rolls of 1/2 will always fail.

Bikers have been neglected as a xfire marker. Atalan Incinerators are esky good for it.

[murderfiesta]

<reading comprehension fail>

[acehilator]

Uhm. I didn't say that you could do two Crossfire tokens?

[murderfiesta]

No, that's my bad, reading comprehension fails all over the place today.