Alpha Leader Beast

[hivefiend]

Hi Guys, New here so this is my first time posting

I've seen lists using the stratagem 'ALPHA LEADER BEAST' to take 2 warlord traits but they also have an adaptive physiology aswell. Now i didnt think you could do this, i thought at best you could have 1 WLT and 2 AP's but id be happy to be wrong here.

[Bohxim]

Hmmm unless I misread your post, but if you think 1 WL trait and 2 AP is OK, I feel it makes less sense than having 2 WL traits and 1 AP.

For the latter he doesn't sacrifice the WL trait, and pays CP for 1 single AP to be on a unit then 1 CP to get the 2nd WL trait as well.
Relatively reasonable

But for the former, he'll have to take a normal WL trait, then pay CP to get a 2nd,forgo the 2nd WL trait in exchange for a 2nd AP. Which I'd argue is less in line with the rule intention than the latter.
I do believe this has been a point of debate in earlier threads too

[piersonsmuppet]

AP’s are in lieu of WLT, so if you have a WLT you can always choose to swap it or not for an AP. For 2 WLT and 1AP: Take normal Tyranid WLT as normal, Alpha Leader for a Leviathan supplement WLT, and then Progeny of the Hive for a free AP on anything.

Bohxim: 2AP and 1WLT is perfectly okay, you just trade your free WLT for an AP and are stuck with a Leviathan supplement WLT only. Contention has been with 3AP 0 WLT, though RAW it is legal.

[Bohxim]

Ooooh that's nice to know. I have a crusher stampede game soon against a friend and I might try that!
Thanks mate!

[afewveiws]

I thought AP's couldnt be stacked on a model/unit, id have to dig for the wording i guess...

But until i post here again 2wlt and an ap is perfectly legal but i dont think 2ap is.

If im wrong id be interested in the citations, please share.

[originaltyranid]

Can you take the 3 APs instead of WL trait with crusher stampede?

[purestrain]

Jan 17, 2022 23:31:39 GMT originaltyranid said:

Can you take the 3 APs instead of WL trait with crusher stampede?

A leviathan Crusher, yes.

1cp for an Adaptive Physiology, Use your generic warlord trait for an Adaptive Physiology, use the 1cp stratagem for Alpha Leader Beast and replace it with an Adaptive Physiology. 

[afewveiws]

Ill have to look into that but weather you can get 3 ap or not they cant all go on one model. Thats what i thought the adaptive phisiology rules included.

[piersonsmuppet]

Jan 17, 2022 22:45:50 GMT afewveiws said:

I thought AP's couldnt be stacked on a model/unit, id have to dig for the wording i guess...

But until i post here again 2wlt and an ap is perfectly legal but i dont think 2ap is.

If im wrong id be interested in the citations, please share.

No one mentioned stacking AP on a single model, just that the Army can have 3 AP total RAW. However, looking at the AP rules again and I notice that only Progeny of the Hive restricts AP to a Monster that doesn't have on yet. RAW, you can trade the Levi WLT for an AP to put on any model. I don't think you can double up on same AP's (2x Size on Tyrant for example) since they are a rule and not war gear, but there is no restriction on putting Size/Dermic onto the same model. Prob something that will either be allowed/disallowed explicitly in the next big FAQ since Octarius came out after last year's.