IG super heavies?

[niiai]

Can GSC take an IG super heavy? I am not so up and up on the rules on them.

[kazetanade]

Yes. But you lose crossfire if you exceed 25%. Which you will with the supefheavy, I think.

[Hive Bahamut]

I think Brood Bros are in a time out box until the Militarum books come out.

What keeps regiment?
Is Brood Bros at 25% to lock our Super Heavies? (So far yes)
Does that matter?

I have a feeling Militarum book getting shook up. Infantry drop 1Ld, and Leman Russ gaining that -1D that is sprinkled everywhere.

[acehilator]

Biggest problem is paying 3CP for a unit without an Invul, and BS 4+. Even if they would go to T9, it still would be a no-go. New GSC codex has SO many good stratagems, a unit would have to be extraordinary to warrant paying 2-3CP. Only thing I have so far would be a Patrol with 2x Tank Commander + one infantry squad, to solve our ranged AT problem (I am not 100% sold on Ridgerunners for that). Vanquisher cannon should be due for a huge buff in the upcoming AM codex.

[niiai]

If they refill more then the 25% (witch they might do) they are not that exciting anywya. I was more cruius then anything else. But you know, not curius as in 'I would like to try that out' mote like 'what is that?'

[acehilator]

If my hobby project queue would not be as full as it is, I would get a Baneblade no matter what, such a great model. But I really don't have the time, lol.

[shippo62]

i heard a stormsword with 2 sponsons is decent, exactly 500pts

[murderfiesta]

Jan 14, 2022 16:41:37 GMT acehilator said:

Biggest problem is paying 3CP for a unit without an Invul, and BS 4+. Even if they would go to T9, it still would be a no-go. New GSC codex has SO many good stratagems, a unit would have to be extraordinary to warrant paying 2-3CP. Only thing I have so far would be a Patrol with 2x Tank Commander + one infantry squad, to solve our ranged AT problem (I am not 100% sold on Ridgerunners for that). Vanquisher cannon should be due for a huge buff in the upcoming AM codex.

I see Ridgerunners as being a "one unit of 3" inclusion in probably Rusted Claw along with the stratagem to auto-advance 6". This means Ridgerunners can move 20" and still fire at full effectiveness, and you can drop the Rusted Claw psychic power on a target you want the Heavy Stubbers to actually have an effect on.

I would pair them with a unit of Atalan Jackals - so really you're paying 288 points for a tag team of 3 ridgerunners and 4 jackals - but what you really want here is access to either the Jackal stratagem to give an enemy unit Exposed, or to actually make a unit Exposed in order to enable the trigger condition for Raking Fire.

Lots of moving parts here, but if you can stack a Primus with Exacting Planner picking your Ridgerunners on a key turn, and you can trigger Raking Fire, then you're looking at 3+ to hit (re-rolling all), 2+ to wound (re-rolling ones) on a couple lascannons. Note that Heavy Stubbers are not classified as Industrial weapons, so you are not going to accidentally blow up all your Ridgerunners if you use the weapon overcharge stratagem on them for +1 damage on industrial weapons when shooting.

[acehilator]

Sure. My problem with Ridgerunners is not with alpha strike potential under full buffs, but with d3 shots @d6 damage without much outside help. Realistically you would only have Crossfire + Overload Fuel Cells on most turns.

[gorsameth]

Jan 18, 2022 20:40:34 GMT acehilator said:

Sure. My problem with Ridgerunners is not with alpha strike potential under full buffs, but with d3 shots @d6 damage without much outside help. Realistically you would only have Crossfire + Overload Fuel Cells on most turns.

You use Jackals to create exposed, preferably naturally to use Raking Fire but if need be via the strat to give a unit within 6" exposed.

Also yes d3 shots d6 damage is very unreliable. That is why many believe the Missile Launcher is generally better. 3 shot Str 6 -3 ap 3 damage. With 'only' str 6 you want that Expose tho.

[acehilator]

I don't think you can rely on Jackals for Expose for more than an alpha strike once per game, maybe twice. Running around in your enemies backfield will get them killed really fast, and coordinating with ambushing melee elements (if any) for target saturation just creates more hassle in regards to positioning, terrain in the way etc... too many moving parts. So the Missile Launcher is not going to cut it as true AT firepower, either. Very good against heavy/elite infantry, bikes and stuff though.

[purestrain]

Seemingly the only range requirement is the no cover benefit, you can expose from across the map as long as you can draw a line to each crossfire unit, keep it in your side and use deepstrikers on their side to setup the expose easier.

[acehilator]

That's just throwing away units for +1 to wound. I mean if you bring in your alpha strike from DS sure, but otherwise...

[purestrain]

Jan 22, 2022 21:22:28 GMT acehilator said:

That's just throwing away units for +1 to wound. I mean if you bring in your alpha strike from DS sure, but otherwise...

We are talking about gsc right? any deepstrike that doesn't get its full potential is throwing away units, you can also achieve double trouble techniques like a 20 man shotty squad 6" away using a perfect ambush, they will still allow you to get the +1 wound on the unit in question if lined up correctly and they still do their work.

The tools are crazy, it takes a lot of thought to get max output.

[kazetanade]

Rusted Claw is looking like a flexible shooting cult - RRs do really well here, as do Atalan Jackals. Surprisingly, Neophyte blobs also do well.

The alphastrike detail can definitely work - assuming just 3 FA slot, you can give a Jackal unit tcfb, so that it moves to a safe spot on T1, then advanced 6 + move into position for your RRs. One RR in deployment zone, 1 RR from strategic reserve from FEA. Your T1 alphastrike would be really hard to hide from.

The question would be, would it be enough? A single RR unit with Raking Fire is actually extremely potent, but using missles, you lose access to Overcharged, trading it with consistent weight of fire and fixed damage (which nullifies the need for Overcharged in the first place). Off the top of my head I think you would not get as much done as we'd hope (even if 9 shots, 8 hit, 7 wounds, half bounces off invul so only 3 models dead) hence the alphastrike idea being a bit weak.

If we apply 7th Ed Tau concepts of really focusing down 1 key unit at a time, I think our shooting is really potent. But I don't think we have a good way to handle many threats at once...