Brigade?

[Hive Bahamut]

All our slots are easy to fill now and our troops are amazing. Is GSC going to be a Brigade army?

HQ full always

Troops full always

Elites are 50% codex

Jackals and Ridgerunners are great, although I feel 2x4/5 bikes and 1x3 Ridgerunners for the full rerolls on the one unit.

Rockgrinders are the MVP. Now no longer poo poo.

What do you think?

[hivemind03]

It really depends on Rockgrinders doesn't it? Though I don't feel like we need a brigade thanks to the Gene Sect rule really opening up our HQ and Elite slots.

Also if you really need the extra slots double, double Patriarchs might be a compelling reason to take two detachments instead

[Hive Bahamut]

I was wondering about that, but USUALLY extra detachments are for different or mixed cults. Now that you lose *Crossfire* for doing that, and Patriarchs lost their Fearless bubble, is it even worth it?

Before I even add any HQ this is what I want my troops to look like in 9th.

10x Acolytes w/Saws
10x Acolytes w/Drills
10x Acolytes w/Cutters
3x5 Handflamer Acolytes *Crossfire* setup
3x5 Naked Acolytes (action monkeys/Grinder gophers)
2x10 Neophytes w/Lasers and Launchers
20x Neophytes w/Shotguns, 4x Flamers and 4x Seismic

The 10x groups will probably gravitate to 2xDrill 1xCutter or something, but must try all. Also, the hand flamer Acolytes could double as action monkeys in Hive Cult.

I think the Rockgrinders are going to be just fine. I am not sure about what goes in yet, but heavily leaning into 5 Acolyte gophers or Metas/Aberrants. They also work a lot better than trucks for forward pressure, while the trucks sit back and basically just shuttle units, or use the Autocannons for *Crossfire*

No mans land is our land. People are worried about *Crossfire* being easy to telegraph and counter, but if they want the middle of the board something is going to get exposed and deleted.

[niiai]

Looking at the cost of a brigade.

Patriarch
Magus
Primus

6 troops for 60 each (Neophytes or handflamer acolytes)

3 elite characters at 80 each

3 ridge runners (Although bikes are cheaper)

3 rockgrinders

1470. Plenty of points left for more troops (the reason to field a brigade) and for toys. An option if you need more then 6 troops but do not want to loose cp.

The only need for a brigade is if you need 6+ troops. Elite slot is 6, and characters do not take up a slot for HQ you have. If you want to double up on characters you can do a Patroll. (4 psyker?)

[wormlord666]

It all comes down to the use of Rockgrinders the way I see it. I love that model and I will try it because it shure looks good now. But... The meta around here right now is Monsters, buggies, dreadnoughts and even knights... I belive there will bo lots of big guns around and then I am afraid the grinders will die since they are the obvious target for the opponents big guns. 
But if you have some way to get them to the enemy safely they wil probably do some work.

[gorsameth]

We certainly can yes, but I don't think we need/want to.
To take Bahamut's list of Troops for example is 1100 points. to turn it into a brigade would take it to just shy of 2000 points even if your being cheap (2x80+75 for HQ, Nexos, Biologus, Sanctus, 3x4 jackals and 3 rockgrinders)

That is probably not an optimal Brigade. Your going to have to lose some of that Troop bloc but if your full on Troops you can switch to Metamorphs instead of Acolytes, Either for the naked action monkeys or the small handflamer units. Its slightly more expensive then Acolytes but you end up saving point because your not having to meet the requirements for a Brigade.

That lets you go up to effectively 9 Troop choices, and still leaves you room for 3 more Elites worth of toys, toys you otherwise can't afford.

If you want to bring all 12 of those units I would certainly advise a Battalion + Patrol (with metamorph stand-ins) over a bad Brigade.

[Hive Bahamut]

Yes that makes sense. It actually is very difficult to utilize it with the points increase.

Womp womp. Sorry Brigade. Useless still. Time out still from 8th I guess.

[niiai]

One nice thing if you do run two detachments is that you can double up on heroes. I am shure there are some fun things like two sanctus snipers taking out characters.

But if I where to do two detachments I would take the custom trait that let's characters re-roll cast rolls of 1 and 2. Then we could take two patriarch and two maguses. That is some quite safe and guaranteed psykick powers each turn. True, most of them would be smite as we only have 6 core spells. But re rolling 1 and 2 is really strong on double cast characters.

[acehilator]

With Purestrains and Abbys being both viable and in the Elite slot, I think Battalion will be sufficient. The most contested slot is probably Fast Attack, if you want to run Ridgerunners, because you want some Jackals 100%. I am not sure about a single unit of three Ridgerunners, you probably want them firing at the same target, and with their giant bases getting LoS while staying in coherency...

Taking two detachments should be reserved for special shenanigans. Apart from the psychic stuff, double Sanctus for sure, and/or double Nexos. Especially tasty in Pauper Princes with a second Nexos, Primus with the PP relic, to transfer the Primus buff and the 5++ relic aura to a third unit elsewhere on the table. That would mean that you can run pretty much your entire army with RR1s/5++ without problems.

[niiai]

That sounds sooo sick. I need to read up on this when I get the codex. (Reading bad pdf is the worst.)

You porbbaly wnat laser ridgerunner sin groups of 3 to use the oveload stratagem on them. Raking fire also possible.

Rocketlaunchers, and possible mortal ridgerunner do not need to be in a group of 3. (Someody pointed out the mortar one can sit back and try to nuke enemy units of objectives.) Mortar with spotter is 80 points for 1d6 blast S6 Ap-1, inidrect fire. It is not that good but good at finishing of wounded units on objectives.

[purestrain]

Jan 12, 2022 16:15:16 GMT acehilator said:

With Purestrains and Abbys being both viable and in the Elite slot, I think Battalion will be sufficient. The most contested slot is probably Fast Attack, if you want to run Ridgerunners, because you want some Jackals 100%. I am not sure about a single unit of three Ridgerunners, you probably want them firing at the same target, and with their giant bases getting LoS while staying in coherency...

Taking two detachments should be reserved for special shenanigans. Apart from the psychic stuff, double Sanctus for sure, and/or double Nexos. Especially tasty in Pauper Princes with a second Nexos, Primus with the PP relic, to transfer the Primus buff and the 5++ relic aura to a third unit elsewhere on the table. That would mean that you can run pretty much your entire army with RR1s/5++ without problems.

hahahah double magus double sanctus, all stabby stab for so many mortal wounds XD