First atemt at new GSC list

[niiai]

I am atempting to build some new GSC. It is based on the old list that I cad some suckess with in 9th edition, with the 8th edition codex. But I am over points and I am not happy with it.

That list was based around goliath trucks with acolytes with handflamers in them. Ridgerunners and Sanctus as fire support. I ditched all other characters as they would just get sniped by the lokal meta. (An ork player with 2 dakkajets.) I used CP to get one unit into melee relable from reserves.

In this new list I have tryed some new elements. Small units of accolytes with handflamers to show up turn 2 and 3 to give exsposed. Sanctus and Jackal Alphus are there to give crossfire tokens. (They can also threaten characters with sniping.) What else is new is that Abberants are now quite good, so they have replaced the accolytes as the premium melee unit.

* Abberants should be able to get a charge from reserve on 3d6, 8" charge. Thanks A to trap sprung.
* 5 units of abberant goes in goliath truck 1 with the patriarch. (Feels bad when it explodes.) Our time is night gives them ekstra attacks on the first fight.
* Other truck has the 10 man unit of accolytes.
* 6 man purestrain unit goes with rockgrinder to have a bigger threath range when they charge from it.
* Biophagus with Alechemist Supreme can inject the 5 man group of abberants pregame, and when he deploys with the 10 man unit of abberants he can inject them as well. I am thinking enchance resillience for that 5+++. Beastial Vigor, T5 and 3 wounds shouled hopefully be sturdy.

I am not sett on creed yet. But War convoy will be good. I really love Agile Gurilla for the vehicles , or impasisoned for the melee units. I would love to tune the list a bit more.

315 points for the fat unit of abberants feels to much, to many eggs in one basket. The Patriarch also feels redudant here. With so many melee ellements I fear people will just do counter offensive and counter him.

I would like to find more points for another transport with either purestrains or acolytes with flamers. Perhaps even a minimum unit of ridgerunners to give exsposed. Nexos could be good to give CP, but I don't know where to hide him.

HQ
1x Patriarch. 140
1x Jackal Alphus. 80

Troops
5x accolytes, 5x hand flamers. 60
5x accolytes, 5x hand flamers. 60
5x accolytes, 5x hand flamers. 60
10x acolytes, 6x hand flamers, 4x mining weapons. 148

Elites
10x Abberants, A Trap Sprung. 315
5x Abberants, Our Time is Nigh. 160
6x Purestrain Genestealers. 84
1x Biophagus, Alchemist Supreme. 55
1x Sanctus. 80 (gets crossfire from sniper rifle)
1x Reductus Sabotour. 80 (with relic gun to give crossifre)

Fast Attack
3x Ridgerunner, Heavy Mining Laser. 240
3x Ridgerunner, Heavy Mining Laser. 240

Heavy Support
1x Rockgrinder. 110

Dedicated Transport
1x Goliath Truck. 90
1x Goliath Truck. 90

2092/2000

On a review I realise that I have cut a lot of accolytes with flamers from the 8th edition list for abberants and purestrains. I don't know, maibe I am meandering to far from where I begun. Abberants and purestrains just look so good now! And the rockgrinder is nice.

[gorsameth]

Yeah Abberants get really expensive really fast. And HQ's are very hard for a list like this. The Command abilities all don't work while your embarked and Core locked so Ridgerunners can't benefit so the Primus and Alphus feel bad, Patty feels to expensive, wrong army type for Iconward and your left with just the Magus.

I'm inclined to say that Abberants and Ridgerunners don't mix simply because of how much points it costs to bring both as your finding out.
Also wonder if 6 Genestealers is enough. 24 attacks, 20 hits, 10 wounds, your going to fail to just barely fail to kill 5 marines standing on an objective.

[niiai]

Yeah, you think genestealers should be in groups larger then 5 or 6? That makes sence. Good point about the characters. My old list just ran a minimum number. But with alle thew new toys I got excited.

[gorsameth]

I think at a minimum you should be able to reliably kill 5 marines with a genestealer unit so your a threat to a random squad holding an objective. And without the +1 str from TH that means 9 or 10 stealers.

You could do 10 stealers in a truck and 5 abberants in a rockgrinder if thats what you want. Can't fit a Patriarch in there but can take an Abominant.

[niiai]

I kepr working on the list yesterday. Fortunetly I found the descrepency. In the old list I just ran the alphus and a psyker, around 160 points. In my draft yesterday I had 550 points in characters. (Patriarch, Acolyte, Kellermorph, Sanctus, Nexos and Biphagus with Alchemist Supreme.) I now know why I run out of points.

Can I just point out that a Kellemorph with the tooth relic shoots better then a ridgerunner with rockets?

[purestrain]

10 man purestrain in my first practice game annihilated a 5man Rubric squad, and they get 5+ vs the attacks.

Blender unit is blender.

[niiai]

At the end of the old cocex most people who had some sucksess with GSC consolidated on mass handlflamer acolytes in trucks. Twisted helix was sooo good there, you where S5 and you could use the genetic lingeage stratagem to advance and charge with them.

Purestrains are just much better. They are also fairly cheap. But here is something purestrains can do now that they could not do before: Roll up in a truck. (Perhaps they could do it, but they sucked like hell.) Tyranids can not do it. But we can do it now.

[Hive Bahamut]

Genestealer missiles are going to be a mainstay of this book. Especially in Twisted Helix.