Build your own baewolf?

[niiai]

Be a crushing stampede tyranids, be leviathan. Take savage intimidation aura. Take biomorphic carapace relic. Ow they are - 1 to wound and hit you in melee.

Feels like a lot of eggs in one basket. Only one who can really use it is the T8 tervigon. Flyrant is very low T. But he and the trygon prime are our most fight customisable characters.

Thoughts?

[purestrain]

Dec 21, 2021 0:15:18 GMT niiai said:

Be a crushing stampede tyranids, be leviathan. Take savage intimidation aura. Take biomorphic carapace relic. Ow they are - 1 to wound and hit you in melee.

Feels like a lot of eggs in one basket. Only one who can really use it is the T8 tervigon. Flyrant is very low T. But he and the trygon prime are our most fight customisable characters.

Thoughts?

Terrifying charge for 1cp, Zoanthrope Synaptic link, The Horror.

-5 ld, -2 combat attrition tests, have a screamer killer nearby? -6 ld.

Drop a Locus from GSC nearby the combat, -7ld.

Edit: Make it the Trygon Prime fighting, bio static rattle wounds cause -1ld.  -8ld.

Have rippers or a haruspex within 6? -1ld 1cp.

Were better than nightlords at this lmao.

[xsquidz]

Dec 21, 2021 1:37:38 GMT purestrain said:

Dec 21, 2021 0:15:18 GMT niiai said:

Be a crushing stampede tyranids, be leviathan. Take savage intimidation aura. Take biomorphic carapace relic. Ow they are - 1 to wound and hit you in melee.

Feels like a lot of eggs in one basket. Only one who can really use it is the T8 tervigon. Flyrant is very low T. But he and the trygon prime are our most fight customisable characters.

Thoughts?

Terrifying charge for 1cp, Zoanthrope Synaptic link, The Horror.

-5 ld, -2 combat attrition tests, have a screamer killer nearby? -6 ld.

Drop a Locus from GSC nearby the combat, -7ld.

Edit: Make it the Trygon Prime fighting, bio static rattle wounds cause -1ld.  -8ld.

Have rippers or a haruspex within 6? -1ld 1cp.

Were better than nightlords at this lmao.

Just remember that much of that stuff does not stack, if you take the new army of renown you can't take GSC allies at all for example and no rippers.

[infornography]

Am I missing something? What does dropping the opponents' leadership even get us that makes it worth the effort? Attrition tests are not as scary as they once were, I guess there are a couple psyker abilities that could play off it... Seems a lot off effort for a mild payoff though.

[purestrain]

Dec 21, 2021 16:14:30 GMT infornography said:

Am I missing something? What does dropping the opponents' leadership even get us that makes it worth the effort? Attrition tests are not as scary as they once were, I guess there are a couple psyker abilities that could play off it... Seems a lot off effort for a mild payoff though.

with 5-10 attacks on a HT, up to 6mws from him on the charge and then having -4ld and -1 attrition tests will probably put anything you fight that isnt a 30 man blob to less than half strength, then they run on 1-3s. seems like it would wipe a few things here and there.

[niiai]

This was not what I thought this thread would be at all.

[zimko]

purestrain has derailed your topic with the idea of using morale as a weapon. It's awful, they can just roll a 1 and completely negate the whole thing... or be space marines and be fine on attrition tests... or the unit you're targeting got wiped out in melee anyway... or if the unit is really important then can auto-pass with 2 cp. Leadership shenanigans is just bad in 9th edition.

As for the -1 to hit aura. Sounds okish in theory but -1 to hit auras in practice don't pay off, especially in melee where a lot of things have rerolls or 2+ and just don't care about -1 to hit.

[niiai]

God point.

[niiai]

Cloack of the baewolf is a SW relic that gives -1 to hit and -1 to wound in melee.

[purestrain]

Dec 21, 2021 20:08:14 GMT zimko said:

purestrain has derailed your topic with the idea of using morale as a weapon. It's awful, they can just roll a 1 and completely negate the whole thing... or be space marines and be fine on attrition tests... or the unit you're targeting got wiped out in melee anyway... or if the unit is really important then can auto-pass with 2 cp. Leadership shenanigans is just bad in 9th edition.

As for the -1 to hit aura. Sounds okish in theory but -1 to hit auras in practice don't pay off, especially in melee where a lot of things have rerolls or 2+ and just don't care about -1 to hit.

1. its not awful, you just don't see a point in it.
2. space marines arent the only faction, get out of here with ALWAYS comparing things to marines.
3. Auto pass is one use only now, good luck for the rest of the game.
4. If you wipe them you did better than expected.

[zimko]

Lol there's a reason people always compare stuff to Space Marines. There are a lot of space marine players! Are we just going to ignore a faction's built in ability that ignores attrition while building a jigsaw puzzle of rules and units to take advantage of morale? Morale in 9th edition is a joke. It's the most forgiving of any edition this game has ever seen. In no other edition could a 30 man unit lose 28 models and have a better than 50% chance of still having a model remaining after morale.

[purestrain]

Dec 22, 2021 0:26:26 GMT zimko said:

Lol there's a reason people always compare stuff to Space Marines. There are a lot of space marine players! Are we just going to ignore a faction's built in ability that ignores attrition while building a jigsaw puzzle of rules and units to take advantage of morale? Morale in 9th edition is a joke. It's the most forgiving of any edition this game has ever seen. In no other edition could a 30 man unit lose 28 models and have a better than 50% chance of still having a model remaining after morale.

Tyranids.

Again, just because they're there, doesn't mean thats the only thing there.

[infornography]

Dec 22, 2021 1:02:42 GMT purestrain said:

Dec 22, 2021 0:26:26 GMT zimko said:

Lol there's a reason people always compare stuff to Space Marines. There are a lot of space marine players! Are we just going to ignore a faction's built in ability that ignores attrition while building a jigsaw puzzle of rules and units to take advantage of morale? Morale in 9th edition is a joke. It's the most forgiving of any edition this game has ever seen. In no other edition could a 30 man unit lose 28 models and have a better than 50% chance of still having a model remaining after morale.

Tyranids.

Again, just because they're there, doesn't mean thats the only thing there.

There are arguably 2 Tyranid factions, one of which doesn't get nearly the benefit of fearless that the other gets.

There are TONS of Space Marine factions. And even setting aside number of factions, the percentage of space marine armies showing up at any given event will be likely somewhere between a third to 2 thirds of the armies played. Tyranids and GSC will make up, what, 15% at the very most?

And finally, regardless, Tyranids are far from an argument in FAVOR of this tactic since they are another army that is more or less immune to it.

I will concede that against SOME armies, in specific matchups, it CAN be devastating if the odds are in your favor. It does not strike me as something that can be relied upon though and unless you tune your army list for the specific opponent, is probably a losing strategy.

[wound]

tournaments aside on your local game center or regular group of friends you are more likely to find space marines them any other faction at least where i live. I would say around 25% play space marines around here.

[purestrain]

Dec 22, 2021 15:58:28 GMT infornography said:

Dec 22, 2021 1:02:42 GMT purestrain said:

Tyranids.

Again, just because they're there, doesn't mean thats the only thing there.

There are arguably 2 Tyranid factions, one of which doesn't get nearly the benefit of fearless that the other gets.

There are TONS of Space Marine factions. And even setting aside number of factions, the percentage of space marine armies showing up at any given event will be likely somewhere between a third to 2 thirds of the armies played. Tyranids and GSC will make up, what, 15% at the very most?

And finally, regardless, Tyranids are far from an argument in FAVOR of this tactic since they are another army that is more or less immune to it.

I will concede that against SOME armies, in specific matchups, it CAN be devastating if the odds are in your favor. It does not strike me as something that can be relied upon though and unless you tune your army list for the specific opponent, is probably a losing strategy.

That's not tuned, dropping by 4 is a stratagem and a link. although I do concede the other stuff added was just to push the numbers. Most armies outside of marines cannot reliably sustain the morale phase if you keep throwing -4ld -1 attrition on every combat that unit gets into.