2k crushing Leviathan - HG/Mawloc spam

[swarminghurts]

++++ Leviathan battalion ++++
- HQ1 - Swarmlord, 4++ spell, +D3 attacks - 240
- HQ2 - Malanthrope, CP regen relic, rr ALL hits WLT, redeploy WLT - 150
- TR1 - 5 warriors, talons, AG, ign ap 1/2, +1 WS/BS, link - 90
- TR2 - 3 warriors, talons, link - 66
- TR3 - 3 warriors, talons, link - 66
- E1 - 6 hive guard - 270
- E2 - 6 hive guard - 270
- E3 - 6 hive guard - 270
- E4 - Maleceptor, catalyst, link, 185
- HS1 - Mawloc - 125
- HS2 - Mawloc - 125
- HS3 - Mawloc - 125

1999/2000, 9 CP


Give me your thoughs.

[purestrain]

Dec 18, 2021 22:00:14 GMT swarminghurts said:

++++ Leviathan battalion ++++
- HQ1 - Swarmlord, 4++ spell, +D3 attacks - 240
- HQ2 - Malanthrope, CP regen relic, rr ALL hits WLT, redeploy WLT - 150
- TR1 - 5 warriors, talons, AG, ign ap 1/2, +1 WS/BS, link - 90
- TR2 - 3 warriors, talons, link - 66
- TR3 - 3 warriors, talons, link - 66
- E1 - 6 hive guard - 270
- E2 - 6 hive guard - 270
- E3 - 6 hive guard - 270
- E4 - Maleceptor, catalyst, link, 185
- HS1 - Mawloc - 125
- HS2 - Mawloc - 125
- HS3 - Mawloc - 125

1999/2000, 9 CP


Give me your thoughs.

People who play this way give us a bad name. you're just asking for everyone to roll their eyes at you and automatically think of you as a WAAC player.

[beetlejuice]

Mani Cheema LVO list?

[swarminghurts]

We kinda force each other to just be as filthy as possible. We alrdy agreed to just reset the game after turn 1 depending on outcome and spamming is also great to test stuff. Keep the unit disparity low for less focus fire mistakes.

[purestrain]

Dec 18, 2021 23:20:16 GMT swarminghurts said:

We kinda force each other to just be as filthy as possible. We alrdy agreed to just reset the game if anyone gets tabled on T2.

That's fine and all, but the more and more people put out 18 HG lists the more likely its going to be that they get nerfed into the ground.

[swarminghurts]

Dec 18, 2021 23:36:50 GMT purestrain said:

Dec 18, 2021 23:20:16 GMT swarminghurts said:

We kinda force each other to just be as filthy as possible. We alrdy agreed to just reset the game if anyone gets tabled on T2.

That's fine and all, but the more and more people put out 18 HG lists the more likely its going to be that they get nerfed into the ground.

Not planning to do any tournaments the up coming months as I wont have time but my friends will so its my job to outpower their lists. I think it'll get nerfed before l get to play comp again, but thats fine for me. I'll swap to something else. 18 is a bit brutal, I agree hahah but just got my last 6 and my group has been changing armies just to counter it. Lolol gotta play the list

[zedan]

Is this list even legal? I don't think you have enough monsters for crushing stampede

[No One]

It is, remember mal is a monster.

That said, not a fan of the list: super skew, no screening, even worse objective/secondary than the previous triple HG lists (which was already bad at it). It's almost a 'I cripple you T1 or lose' list: mawlocs help with this if you can kill obsec and maybe give you a solid shot at games where you can kill obsec early and ignore everything else for a bit. Will that work very well sometimes? Yes. But as far as I'm concerned, where it works well, less skew would also work, and where it doesn't work something else might

But if you're insistent, I'd consider dropping 'cepter+mawloc for 2 harpies: 'cepter doesn't seem to mesh with what you're wanting to do (i.e. not get shot), and if your HG are getting shot I doubt -1 S for 2 CP saves them. (Same applies to mal, but you need the MC, so...maybe walkrant? But mal still seems better). While mawloc just seems like worse harpies (albeit more expensive). Also not sure why you're bothering with +1 WS on 5 man scy tal warriors, and Swarmlord powers (and well, Swarmlord full stop)...don't really have much in the way of targets.

[piersonsmuppet]

Dec 19, 2021 2:31:39 GMT zedan said:

Is this list even legal? I don't think you have enough monsters for crushing stampede

The list is legal, 6/6 Monster/Non-Monster split.

[kazetanade]

Don't you need MORE monsters than infantry? So it has to be 5/7?

Also brutally honest- this list kinda sucks. 18HG lists do not do well because it's busted, but because Mani Cheema is an ace player and he loves artillery. Unless your meta runs 90% slow guns and heavy enough terrain to hide at least 2 HG units well, they are going to get obliterated pretty bad. Even taking it down from 6 man to 3 man is pretty harsh in performance drops.

HG guns are S8 ap-2 d3; this means it falls Prey to ignore ap-1/2 effects, and is heavily affected by -1D effects. Meaning, it bounces off thiccity, Dreadnoughts, mirror match Nids, a variety of SM archetypes. It also bounces off the incredibly durable AdM blobs. Luckily not Orks.

Having almost no other damage in your army, if this isn't overwhelming the opponent, you nearly auto lose. You basically have to hope that 1: he doesn't have a lot of obsec so mawlocs can steal and 2: he can't kill them too quickly.

[swarminghurts]

How about this:

+++ Leviathan Battalion +++

- HQ1 - Swarmlord: catalyst, onslaught
- HQ2 - Malanthrope: neural lobe, swarm leader
- TR1 - 8 warriors: double talons, enhanced resistance, rapid adaptation, adrenal glands, link
- TR2 - 8 warriors: double talons, enhanced resistance, rapid adaptation, adrenal glands, link
- TR3 - 3 warriors: double talons, link
- E1 - 6 hive guard: impaler cannons
- E2 - 6 hive guard: impaler cannons
- FA1 - Harpy: stranglethorn cannon
- FA2 - Harpy: stranglethorn cannon
- HS1 - Mawloc
- HS2 - Mawloc
- HS3 - Mawloc

[swarminghurts]

Or

+++ Leviathan Battalion +++

- HQ1 - Swarmlord: catalyst, onslaught
- HQ2 - Malanthrope: neural lobe, swarm leader
- HQ3 - Prime: talons, link
- TR1 - 9 warriors: 4 LW&BS, rest double talons, enhanced resistance, rapid adaptation, link
- TR2 - 9 warriors: 4 LW&BS, rest double talons, enhanced resistance, rapid adaptation, link
- TR3 - 4 warriors: double talons, link
- E1   - 6 hive guard: impaler cannons
- E2   - 6 hive guard: impaler cannons
- FA1 - Harpy: stranglethorn cannon
- HS1 - Mawloc
- HS2 - Mawloc
- HS3 - Mawloc

[piersonsmuppet]

Dec 19, 2021 4:33:23 GMT kazetanade said:

Don't you need MORE monsters than infantry? So it has to be 5/7?

“At least one Monster unit for each non-Monster unit” is the only restriction I’ve seen (1+:1).

@op, first list looks better of the recent two imo. Wars don’t have enough attacks for Prime. I think I would drop a Mawloc to make both big Warrior units LWBS/DS, the boost to BS seems a waste w/o a gun.

I was also a fan of the Malceptor in the first iteration, Levi rr and Malc Link provides the top overall output for HG (Terv Link can outdo on T5+). d3 attacks and the +1 hit/wound/damage can finally make it a decent threat to sub-T8 Mon/Veh as well. Your move to Warrior blobs makes the Malc even better, as S5/8 guns are optimal into Warriors and the Malc skewing the math for 16/18 Warriors is quite good.

[No One]

piersonsmuppet said:

I was also a fan of the Malceptor in the first iteration, Levi rr and Malc Link provides the top overall output for HG

It does, but warriors are ~120 pts less: unless you're getting more from the 'cepter than the link, it's not worth it. Going harder in on warriors makes it better, but good enough? Maybe? Not sure what you cut though is the thing: mawloc and some warriors, and now it's less appealing?

[piersonsmuppet]

Dec 19, 2021 14:17:15 GMT No One said:

It does, but warriors are ~120 pts less: unless you're getting more from the 'cepter than the link, it's not worth it. Going harder in on warriors makes it better, but good enough? Maybe? Not sure what you cut though is the thing: mawloc and some warriors, and now it's less appealing?

Smite and a second power with +1 to-cast also come with the package, so the Mal is never just a Link. I agree fitting it into the newer iterations is not likely, but the Mal/Mal combo for the Warriors will do better than spamming Mawlocs imo.