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Post by chance504 on Nov 6, 2021 4:05:17 GMT
So with the new rules I’ve decided to put together as competitive of a list as I can with my current models. I have six more Hive Guard on order but this as of right now I can only play with one unit of six. Any comments or changes from anyone? Secondary objective recommendations? I was thinking RoD, Engage, and trying to figure out my last one when I find out what my opponent is playing.
Hive Fleet: Leviathan
+ Stratagems +
Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact
Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]
+ HQ +
Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Power: Onslaught, Power: Psychic Scream, Prehensile Pincer Tail, Relic: Biomorphic Carapace, Wings
. Adaptive Physiology: Murderous Size
Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts, -1CP]: Claws and Teeth, Power: Catalyst, Relic: Adaptive Neural Lobe, Stratagem: Alpha Leader-Beast, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Swarm Leader
+ Troops +
Hormagaunts [3 PL, 60pts]
. 10x Hormagaunt: 10x Scything Talons
Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]
. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth
Termagants [9 PL, 210pts]
. 30x Termagant (Devourer): 30x Devourer
Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 105pts]: Adrenal Glands, Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
+ Elites +
Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]
. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon
Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]: Flesh Hooks, Grasping Talons, Rending Claws
+ Heavy Support +
Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]: Bio-plasmic Cannon, Powerful Limbs
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis
++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [47 PL, 804pts, -2CP] ++
+ Configuration +
Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]
Hive Fleet: Kraken
+ HQ +
Broodlord [8 PL, 140pts]: Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Synaptic Lure, Synaptic Link: Mastery of the Shadows
The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Bone Sabres, Power: Onslaught, Power: The Horror, Prehensile Pincer Tail
+ Troops +
Genestealers [16 PL, 234pts]: 4x Acid Maw, 18x Scything Talons
. 18x Genestealer: 18x Rending Claws
Hormagaunts [3 PL, 60pts]
. 10x Hormagaunt: 10x Scything Talons
Hormagaunts [3 PL, 60pts]
. 10x Hormagaunt: 10x Scything Talons
+ Fast Attack +
Gargoyles [3 PL, 70pts]
. 10x Gargoyle: 10x Blinding Venom, 10x Fleshborer
++ Total: [105 PL, 1,997pts, 7CP] ++
I plan on deep striking the lictor on whichever table quarter I haven’t got covered yet on Turn 2, then retrieving data. The gargoyles can come out Turn 3 and do the same. If the lictor is still alive, I’ll attempt to get it onto a primary and use the obsec strat if needed, same with gargoyles. Turn One I’m hoping to go first but will do my best to hide what I can hide just in case. I’ll attempt to get a charge off with the HT and slingshot the genestealers. Swarmlord should be able to charge by Turn 2. The HG are gonna do their thing, buffed by the +1 from the Warriors, re-rolls from the Warlord, and probably Relentless Flurry. The devilgants may take those buffs for a turn if a juicy enough target gets within range. Rippers can go where ever they’re needed to keep me scoring secondaries and maybe primaries. The MSU gants/gaunts will go for my primaries and zip around as needed. Any advice or changes to this strategy?
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Post by No One on Nov 6, 2021 4:38:45 GMT
I mean, I don't think Kraken gets you enough over just going pure Levi for damage options/Swarmlord options/CP.
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Post by piersonsmuppet on Nov 6, 2021 7:16:04 GMT
I could see Kraken as worth it if you traded the Levi Exo, Kraken Gargs, and a few Warrior guns for a Dima in Kraken (since it gives options to the sling). As is, I'd agree that the Kraken isn't really bringing much other than ~5"+ more range to the GS sling at the cost of lesser output. RR hits is great coupled with double exploding hits on unmodified 6+, and a redeploy for the GS is as good or better than a few inches from Opportunistic Advance.
I would just drop the Neuro (moving relic/WL to BL), and fold everything into the Levi Battalion. You could bump stealers to 20x, trade the rippers for another Lictor, and add another gargoyle unit and end up at 1999pts. The two lictors will let you start Gargs on the table to better use them to contest objectives or pop Levi rr1's strat for Swarmy. You also have the option to combine the Gargs/Horms into bigger units for more staying power for scoring Primaries.
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Post by chance504 on Nov 6, 2021 17:26:08 GMT
I took the advice you both gave and came up with this list. I can’t add more gargoyles as I don’t have another box of them, but I do have another lictor.
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [106 PL, 2,000pts, 9CP] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Detachment Command Cost
Hive Fleet: Leviathan
+ Stratagems +
Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact
Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]
+ HQ +
Broodlord [8 PL, 140pts, -1CP]: Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Paroxysm, Relic: Adaptive Neural Lobe, Stratagem: Alpha Leader-Beast, Synaptic Link: Mastery of the Shadows, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Strategic Adaptation, Warlord Trait: Swarm Leader
Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Power: Onslaught, Power: Psychic Scream, Prehensile Pincer Tail, Relic: Biomorphic Carapace, Wings
The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Bone Sabres, Power: Catalyst, Power: The Horror, Prehensile Pincer Tail
+ Troops +
Genestealers [16 PL, 260pts]: 5x Acid Maw, 20x Scything Talons
. 20x Genestealer: 20x Rending Claws
Hormagaunts [6 PL, 114pts]
. 19x Hormagaunt: 19x Scything Talons
Hormagaunts [6 PL, 90pts]
. 15x Hormagaunt: 15x Scything Talons
Termagants [9 PL, 210pts]
. 30x Termagant (Devourer): 30x Devourer
Termagants [3 PL, 50pts]
. 10x Termagant (Fleshborer): 10x Fleshborer
Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 102pts]: Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword
. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Lash Whip and Bonesword, Venom Cannon
+ Elites +
Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]
. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon
Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]: Flesh Hooks, Grasping Talons, Rending Claws
Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]: Flesh Hooks, Grasping Talons, Rending Claws
+ Fast Attack +
Gargoyles [3 PL, 70pts]
. 10x Gargoyle: 10x Blinding Venom, 10x Fleshborer
+ Heavy Support +
Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]: Bio-plasmic Cannon, Powerful Limbs
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis
++ Total: [106 PL, 2,000pts, 9CP] ++
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Post by piersonsmuppet on Nov 6, 2021 18:19:27 GMT
A second look at the list makes me think the GS might be better at 16x, as it would open up taking To the Last on the Tyrant/Devgants, Swarmy, and HG. That would make it a decent fallback secondary for likely 10vp.
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Post by chance504 on Nov 7, 2021 21:55:49 GMT
Thanks for the input. I like having the option for To the Last as a Secondary Objective. Do you think the Hive Tyrant or the devilgants are a better choice? Is that something I should determine when I see what my opponent brings to the table?
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Post by piersonsmuppet on Nov 8, 2021 15:23:45 GMT
Thanks for the input. I like having the option for To the Last as a Secondary Objective. Do you think the Hive Tyrant or the devilgants are a better choice? Is that something I should determine when I see what my opponent brings to the table? Definitely a decision to be made after seeing the opponent’s list. Tyrant could be the better of the two more often since Swarmy and Exo are higher priority targets generally speaking. |
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Post by chance504 on Nov 8, 2021 21:25:54 GMT
Thanks for the input. I like having the option for To the Last as a Secondary Objective. Do you think the Hive Tyrant or the devilgants are a better choice? Is that something I should determine when I see what my opponent brings to the table? Definitely a decision to be made after seeing the opponent’s list. Tyrant could be the better of the two more often since Swarmy and Exo are higher priority targets generally speaking. I was thinking Hive Tyrant as well, just because of the -1 to wound with the biomorphic carapace. I’m trying to get myself to a place where I actually feel reasonably competitive and that starts with list building and secondary choices, then moves on to the actual gameplay choices. My local scene doesn’t have very many newer players so I’m trying to adapt quickly. |
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Post by kazetanade on Nov 8, 2021 22:37:16 GMT
Devilgants are a BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD target for TTL. Flyrants are only passable - they'll still be easy to take down with "meta" lists or lists that have a lot of anti-tank. 4++ keeps them alive longer than they should be, but they're not immortal from it.
However, with TTL, you can afford to lose 5 pts; so the Tyrant taking it is alright.
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Post by chance504 on Nov 10, 2021 17:57:37 GMT
I fiddled a bit with the list and I think this is a little more viable. I ended up with a total of 5 more wounds worth of gaunts.
HQ
- Broodlord - warlord - strategic adaptation, swarm leader, adaptive neural lobe, synaptic link - 140 pts
- Flyrant - adrenal glands, biomorphic carapace, 2x MST - 210 pts
- Swarmlord - 240 pts
Troops
- genestealers x16 - 208 pts
- hormagaunts x15 - 90 pts
- hormagaunts x10 - 60 pts
- devgants x30 - 210 pts
- borergants x30 - 150 pts
- warriors: adrenal glands, LW&BS x 3, 2 deathspitters, 1 venom cannon - 105 pts
Elites
- hive guard x6 - 270 pts
- lictor - 37 pts
- lictor - 37 pts
Fast Attack
- gargoyles x10 - 70 pts
Heavy Support
- exocrine - dermic symbiosis - 170 pts
1997 points total
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Post by chance504 on Nov 10, 2021 17:58:40 GMT
Devilgants are a BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD target for TTL. Flyrants are only passable - they'll still be easy to take down with "meta" lists or lists that have a lot of anti-tank. 4++ keeps them alive longer than they should be, but they're not immortal from it. However, with TTL, you can afford to lose 5 pts; so the Tyrant taking it is alright. Yeah I was thinking devgants died way too easily to make them a TTL choice, in the few games I’ve played my max size blob died way too easily. |
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Post by No One on Nov 11, 2021 2:14:44 GMT
They're the sort of TTL target where against some opponents it's possible that they might find it awkward to shift if they've only got one good answer which is elsewhere/dead, or sometimes if the last couple of gaunts are behind a wall or something. I'd expect them to die horribly basically every game though, yes: it's just some matches flyrant might be even more 'almost guaranteed dead', so it is a nice option to have.
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Post by chance504 on Nov 15, 2021 22:51:43 GMT
After a horrible game with this list I decided to make some changes. The gaunt spam isn't doing it for me. I think I want to try something different. Having two units of genestealers, a brick of warriors, six zoanthropes, and the usual six hive guard is the basis. I'm taking a broodlord and a tyranid prime to buff the units they buff, plus an extra three-man unit of warriors just to have more synapse and babysitting for hive guard or an objective.
If I'm playing against orks again, I'm not taking any devgants. They have done absolutely nothing in the last two games that I've used them - maybe I'm just not doing it right because I don't want to have to roll 200 dice for one unit's shooting, or I'm choosing the wrong targets, but they just don't feel as useful as people make them out to be, at least in that matchup.
This is the list:
HQ:
Broodlord w/ biomorphic carapace for -1 to wound - 125 pts
Swarmlord - 240 pts
Tyranid Prime - warlord - boneswords, deathspitter, synaptic link, maybe adaptive neural lobe, warlord traits: strategic adaptation & swarm leader - 99 pts
Troops:
Genestealers x16 - 208 pts
Genestealers x16 - 208 pts
Hormagaunts x10 - 60 pts
Termagants (fleshborers) x10 - 50 pts
Warriors x9 - enhanced resistance, 3x lash whip, 6x boneswords, 6x deathspitters, 3x venom cannons, synaptic link - 276 pts
Warriors x3 - 3x lash whip, 3x scything talons, synaptic link, adrenal glands - 78 pts
Elites:
Hive Guard x6 - 270 pts
Lictor - 37 pts
Lictor - 37 pts
Zoanthropes x6 - synaptic link - 310 pts
Total 1998 pts
Against a different opponent, I think I'll pare down the Warriors groups to 81 pts and 75 pts, take a 30 man brick of Devgants, 17 Borergants, and a Neurothrope instead of a Tyranid Prime.
I put in an order for more Hive Guard at the shop so I'm just waiting for the two kits to arrive before making lists utilizing 12 Hive Guard, possibly with a Kronos detachment to maximize re-rolls.
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