Tyranids (Octarius) vs Thousand Sons 2000pt Written Report

[stormcoil]

Hello Hive Mind.  I have managed to get a game with the new rules and have written a battle report.  Hopefully you find something useful from my test game.


Check it out here:

www.reddit.com/r/Tyranids/comments/qd3pry/tyranids_octarius_vs_thousand_sons_2000pt_written/


Let me know what you think.  For the Hive Mind!

[No One]

stormcoil said:

We both had redeploy powers, and so we rolled off and used them.

13. Resolve Pre-battle Abilities
Players alternate resolving any pre-battle abilities units in their army may have, and resolving any Stratagems that are used before the battle (excluding those that upgrade their units or those that enable them to set up a unit in a location other than the battlefield), starting with the player who will take the first turn.

Cute thing that's probably never worth it but you can do: strat to remove cover is a pre battle ability. 2 CP to redeploy after your opponent, committed before they redeploy? Eh...

So I decide to hold back my gants for 1 more turn. This also will make it harder for him to kill the gants to score magnus.

I think this was probably a mistake: your zoans aren't living except by a miracle, so I don't think you'd really have much way to pressure magnus next turn anyway. And outside of the contemptors (which...well, it looks like you could've shot that turn, and would be very good for you to kill. And you definitely could) you'd always be shooting 2+ anyway, and this feels like a swing turn. Either you clear the SoT, or they cause problems and start to run over the hive guard. When you could've potentially dropped them in front of the hive guard as a screen (maybe) or dropped behind and helped the t-guard clear them out (maybe risky if it dropped your charge roll, not sure).

I get a 6+ armor

Heavy cover from link still, so you should be at 5+

but he tells me his exalted sorcerer is obsec

...No

For this test we assumed the game situation, 10 SOTs with glamor and presage, and either 20 genestealers or 5 tyrant guard with swarm leader and relentless fury. The genestealers (probably due to large numbers of dice) very consistently killed 3 SOTs on the first swing. They would often lose 8 or 9 in the swing back by the terminators, and then on the fight twice would normally kill 1-2 more terminators, for 4 or 5 dead terminators at a cost of 5 cp.

Hmm...are you sure you were rolling that right? I get ~5 dead for stealers (before acid, which is pretty big). *Rolls* Boy that's a pain, but 6 dead to stealers on the first swing, 2 dead to t-guard (but as you said that's super swingy).

Edit: *rolls again* 5 vs 4. And this is against a very good target for the t-guard: no transhuman, a hit neg which only hurts the stealers, AiD only hits the stealers and only a 5++, no damage neg...

Stealers also compete defensively as well (though of course once they get half the squad, they suck while t-guard is just mediocre), getting almost 4 wounds with an invul vs each t-guard. Can be ahead, and the BL link is definitely quite solid there. But against e.g. the termis, assuming you kill half the squad, stealers lose ~25% of the squad, t-guard lose ~50% of the squad, because multi-damage vulnerability.

[beetlejuice]

Great as always. Would he have survived with rubrics turn 1 with -1D strat? That strat makes split fire HG very risky and wouldve given him 15 primary. He definitely should have spent 3CP for it on the SOTs since that fight decided the game.

Terminators and demon prince swinging your hive guard would be 5+ save because of hard cover.

[No One]

beetlejuice said:

He definitely should have spent 3CP for it on the SOTs since that fight decided the game.

Only shooting.

Terminators and demon prince swinging your hive guard would be 5+ save because of hard cover.

Doesn't work on the charge, so DP only.

[windwalkerranger]

I had always thought of the tyrant guard as our terminator-equivalents. at around 50 pts per model, can have 2+ with jormungandr, t5, can be given catalyst for FNP etc. But the damage output was never there, and now, it might be there. Still overcosted.If they got rid of the tyrant-bodyguard aspect and dropped 5-6 points, they could be much more viable.

I so wish to make pyrovores work and was hoping something in this new supplement could help them but alas, there's nothing...

[kazetanade]

Stormcoil new batrep??? Yaaaaaas. I love your batreps.

Will read it later today when have time - just wanted to quickly say a word since I tested last week too.

Ref Genestealers: I smashed 13 into a 5 man brick of Terminators and scored 4 dead. A full 20, assuming all gets to hit, should score at least 6 dead, but should get at least 1 more. I did not have to deal with glamour, which would affect it a lot, but can be offset with Warriors +1 to hit. I stuck auto wound on 6s on them, but completely forgot about it (probably for the best considering AiD and termi armor).

On that note, a 10 man Terminator squad is probably too tanky to wipe without the 5cp expenditure, but we just took like 260pts and traded it up for nearly 400 so...