Proposed change to +/++

[Hive Bahamut]

So I have only been playing for about 14 years and have a curiosity about saves. Throughout the editions I have seen armour become less and less relevant, to the point where I don't even bother looking at melee (especially) without invulnerables.

What I am curious about is just for name sake. Could we call + soft or "light" armour and invulnerables (face it not invulnerable these days,) as hard or "heavy?"

It would remove confusion on + ++ and +++ as well as these have just been stapled onto as bandaids.

Soft and Hard armour makes the most sense to me as soft can be reduced, and hard can't.

Damage mitigation can then be called just that. Instead of a +++ that replicates saves but isn't, just a blanket FNP or something.


TLDR: Me no likey + and ++ change names to soft/hard armour so less confusion over using symbols for stats.

[purestrain]

Aug 17, 2021 17:35:07 GMT Hive Bahamut said:

So I have only been playing for about 14 years and have a curiosity about saves. Throughout the editions I have seen armour become less and less relevant, to the point where I don't even bother looking at melee (especially) without invulnerables.

What I am curious about is just for name sake. Could we call + soft or "light" armour and invulnerables (face it not invulnerable these days,) as hard or "heavy?"

It would remove confusion on + ++ and +++ as well as these have just been stapled onto as bandaids.

Soft and Hard armour makes the most sense to me as soft can be reduced, and hard can't.

Damage mitigation can then be called just that. Instead of a +++ that replicates saves but isn't, just a blanket FNP or something.


TLDR: Me no likey + and ++ change names to soft/hard armour so less confusion over using symbols for stats.

Symbols are universal, words must be translated and explained typically in detail.

[infornography]

+/++/+++ is way faster to type than soft armor/hard armor/ignore wounds
I mean as it is we are using that instead of armor/invuln/FNP
*shrug*

Ultimately, every warhammer forum and group uses +/++/+++. If we changed that here, WE would be the weird ones and be constantly fielding questions about what we mean by soft armor. I just don't see it getting adopted and even if it was, what the advantage would be.

[LordPathos]

How would you describe Eldar or Genestealers getting an invuln save because they are so quick?

Behold the agility of the DE Succubus and her innate heavy armor!

[Hive Bahamut]

I realize the words chosen are not the easiest and that symbol works better but it has to be a little confusing to see the different and it not be more clear.

They could do a little cuirass and shield or really anything. I understand my direction was misleading but there is something more updated out there for sure.