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Post by thereisonlywar on Aug 15, 2021 15:45:35 GMT
I have all the pieces to this except for my winged hive tyrant and I’m just getting into planning my painting. So this is what I’ve built. Anybody see any issues? I know I could deal with one more exocrine possibly but what’s the thoughts on hive fleet organization? Could I/should I use a different hive fleet for my vanguard? Thanks in advance! Ps I’m new here. HEY EVERYBODY! ++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [53 PL, 818pts, -2CP] +++ Configuration +Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]Hive Fleet: Kraken + HQ +Broodlord [7 PL, 125pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Lure The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Power: Smite + Troops +Genestealers [8 PL, 91pts]: Acid Maw, 6x Scything Talons . 7x Genestealer: 7x Rending Claws Genestealers [8 PL, 91pts]: Acid Maw, 6x Scything Talons . 7x Genestealer: 7x Rending Claws Termagants [6 PL, 72pts]: Adrenal Glands . 12x Termagant (Fleshborer): 12x Fleshborer + Elites +Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]+ Heavy Support +Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Prehensile Pincer Tail ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [61 PL, 1,182pts, 12CP] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + HQ +Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Stranglethorn Cannon, Warlord, Wings . Adaptive Physiology: Murderous Size Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite, Resonance Barb Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite + Troops +Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Termagants [9 PL, 168pts]. 24x Termagant (Devourer): 24x Devourer Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 63pts]. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 75pts]. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword . Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon + Heavy Support +Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]++ Total: [114 PL, 10CP, 2,000pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by purestrain on Aug 17, 2021 1:01:03 GMT
I have all the pieces to this except for my winged hive tyrant and I’m just getting into planning my painting. So this is what I’ve built. Anybody see any issues? I know I could deal with one more exocrine possibly but what’s the thoughts on hive fleet organization? Could I/should I use a different hive fleet for my vanguard? Thanks in advance! Ps I’m new here. HEY EVERYBODY! ++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [53 PL, 818pts, -2CP] +++ Configuration +Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]Hive Fleet: Kraken + HQ +Broodlord [7 PL, 125pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Lure The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Power: Smite + Troops +Genestealers [8 PL, 91pts]: Acid Maw, 6x Scything Talons . 7x Genestealer: 7x Rending Claws Genestealers [8 PL, 91pts]: Acid Maw, 6x Scything Talons . 7x Genestealer: 7x Rending Claws Termagants [6 PL, 72pts]: Adrenal Glands . 12x Termagant (Fleshborer): 12x Fleshborer + Elites +Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]+ Heavy Support +Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Prehensile Pincer Tail ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [61 PL, 1,182pts, 12CP] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + HQ +Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Stranglethorn Cannon, Warlord, Wings . Adaptive Physiology: Murderous Size Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite, Resonance Barb Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite + Troops +Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Termagants [9 PL, 168pts]. 24x Termagant (Devourer): 24x Devourer Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 63pts]. Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons Tyranid Warriors [4 PL, 75pts]. Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Lash Whip and Bonesword . Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter . Tyranid Warrior: Deathspitter, Scything Talons + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon + Heavy Support +Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]++ Total: [114 PL, 10CP, 2,000pts] ++Created with BattleScribeSomeone needs simbiostorm on your Kronos Psychers, and if you're using the STC on the Tyrant, might as well upgrade to the Balethorn cannon so it ignores invulns (only kind of useful since its ap-1) Give him the venomthorn parasite for max shots always or pathogensis so its 8" farther, and you get to reroll a hit and wound roll. If you're using the warriors as objective contesters you should go plain jane double talons so they are dirt cheap, then add more gaunts of either sort (devil or flesh) either that or lean into the warriors, make them a 6 man and bring two venom cannons with bs/lw talons on the others, so its cheap but wont allow quick movement if they get swept hard. |
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Post by No One on Aug 17, 2021 9:04:14 GMT
List powers
-7 man stealers are pretty eh: depending on what you want to do with them, I'd say probably drop down to 5 man or at least make 12
-AG on terms is just bad: take horms or don't bother. Also 12 man is bad for blast: bigger or smaller
-LW&BS is bad, stranglethorn is bad: if you want a melee flyrant, take double scy tals with size, and Kraken for Swarmlord
-Not really much point in the 2nd neuro for the Kronos bat: just shuffle things around so it's a patrol
-30 man devilgants for max value from reserves/double shoot
-1 CP extra adapt on either exo or HG
-Not a fan of res barb on neuro over on a flyrant or BL for the extra cast
-Not sure what the warriors are really trying to achieve, or why they're in Kronos
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Post by thereisonlywar on Aug 17, 2021 15:49:27 GMT
thanks for the sharp pointers!
1.so are we saying two patrols then?
is that wiser? kronos and kraken?
1.1 Not sure if y'all saw the upcoming update but would that stealer advice still stand regarding max 5 of them?
2.I want my fly tyrant to be shootie and my swarmlord to be melee.
3.I've been reading a lot about msu, so would that not apply to devilgants?
4.Also i was planning on running two groups of termigants so they arent all a heavy target.
regarding warriors, are they better in kraken even with the deathspitters?
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Post by thereisonlywar on Aug 17, 2021 16:27:31 GMT
So where would I put the warriors? ++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [49 PL, 913pts, 12CP] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + HQ +Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Smite, Power: Symbiostorm, Stranglethorn Cannon, Warlord, Wings . Adaptive Physiology: Synaptic Enhancement Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]+ Troops +Termagants [6 PL, 84pts]. 12x Termagant (Devourer): 12x Devourer Termagants [6 PL, 84pts]. 12x Termagant (Devourer): 12x Devourer + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon + Heavy Support +Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [34 PL, 564pts, -2CP] +++ Configuration +Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]+ HQ +The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Lure + Troops +Genestealers [4 PL, 65pts]. 5x Genestealer: 5x Rending Claws Termagants [6 PL, 60pts]. 12x Termagant (Fleshborer): 12x Fleshborer + Elites +Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]+ Heavy Support +Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Prehensile Pincer Tail ++ Total: [83 PL, 10CP, 1,477pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by zimko on Aug 17, 2021 16:44:18 GMT
Devgants benefit heavily from being in a large unit because of the stratagem for shooting twice with a unit of infantry, and because they reroll 1s to wound if they have 20 or more models in a unit.
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Post by thereisonlywar on Aug 18, 2021 3:18:09 GMT
So after consideration, here’s what I’m thinking I’m going to do. Make a little more sense now? ++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [52 PL, 1,055pts, 12CP] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + HQ +Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Smite, Power: Symbiostorm, Stranglethorn Cannon, The Venomthorn Parasite, Warlord, Wings . Adaptive Physiology: Synaptic Enhancement Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Symbiostorm + Troops +Termagants [9 PL, 210pts]. 30x Termagant (Devourer): 30x Devourer Termagants [6 PL, 100pts]. 20x Termagant (Fleshborer): 20x Fleshborer + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon + Heavy Support +Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [53 PL, 936pts, -2CP] +++ Configuration +Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]+ HQ +Broodlord [7 PL, 125pts]The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Lure + Troops +Genestealers [12 PL, 195pts]: 6x Scything Talons . 15x Genestealer: 15x Rending Claws Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Tyranid Warriors [8 PL, 141pts]. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter . Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter . Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons + Elites +Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]+ Heavy Support +Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Prehensile Pincer Tail ++ Total: [105 PL, 10CP, 1,991pts] ++Created with BattleScribe |
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Post by purestrain on Aug 18, 2021 4:14:35 GMT
So after consideration, here’s what I’m thinking I’m going to do. Make a little more sense now? ++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [52 PL, 1,055pts, 12CP] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Detachment Command CostHive Fleet: Kronos + HQ +Hive Tyrant [11 PL, 210pts]: Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Smite, Power: Symbiostorm, Stranglethorn Cannon, The Venomthorn Parasite, Warlord, Wings . Adaptive Physiology: Synaptic Enhancement Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Symbiostorm + Troops +Termagants [9 PL, 210pts]. 30x Termagant (Devourer): 30x Devourer Termagants [6 PL, 100pts]. 20x Termagant (Fleshborer): 20x Fleshborer + Elites +Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon + Heavy Support +Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids) [53 PL, 936pts, -2CP] +++ Configuration +Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]+ HQ +Broodlord [7 PL, 125pts]The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Lure + Troops +Genestealers [12 PL, 195pts]: 6x Scything Talons . 15x Genestealer: 15x Rending Claws Ripper Swarms [2 PL, 36pts]. 3x Ripper Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth Tyranid Warriors [8 PL, 141pts]. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter . Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter . Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Deathspitter . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons . Tyranid Warrior: Devourer, Scything Talons + Elites +Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]+ Heavy Support +Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Prehensile Pincer Tail ++ Total: [105 PL, 10CP, 1,991pts] ++Created with BattleScribeSuggestion I have would be to put talons on all the stealers  (probably just an oversight) and if they agree use the new Synaptic link on your broodlord by either pulling some gaunts or the ripper squad. |
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Post by piersonsmuppet on Aug 18, 2021 20:41:23 GMT
Warriors are better at 5-man units to help avoid giving heavy blast weapons, like plasma, guaranteed 3 shots. Drop a warrior, upgrade the Warriors to all DS & BS, and add a 16 GS (and 4th acid maw). To that effect, at least put your 3 free acid maws on the GS unit (1 for every 4 GS). Fleshborer termagants are better in Kraken for the additional movement, they won't be doing much with the Kronos fleet trait.
Stranglethorn Cannon is probably the Tyrant's worst gun. HVC is better vs 3W+, and Devs are better vs everything else. I would at least change to one of those guns if you are set on a shooty Tyrant. Wings on the Tyrant usually mean you will rarely stand still, and Pathogenesis averages more damage per shooting phase than Venomthorn when you don't have the Kronos rr's due to moving (at least with HVC).
Also, I would suggest you put one Lictor in Kronos Patrol. Will allow you to cover most of the board T2 for deepest shadow.
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Post by thereisonlywar on Aug 21, 2021 16:01:36 GMT
Warriors are better at 5-man units to help avoid giving heavy blast weapons, like plasma, guaranteed 3 shots. Drop a warrior, upgrade the Warriors to all DS & BS, and add a 16 GS (and 4th acid maw). To that effect, at least put your 3 free acid maws on the GS unit (1 for every 4 GS). Fleshborer termagants are better in Kraken for the additional movement, they won't be doing much with the Kronos fleet trait. Stranglethorn Cannon is probably the Tyrant's worst gun. HVC is better vs 3W+, and Devs are better vs everything else. I would at least change to one of those guns if you are set on a shooty Tyrant. Wings on the Tyrant usually mean you will rarely stand still, and Pathogenesis averages more damage per shooting phase than Venomthorn when you don't have the Kronos rr's due to moving (at least with HVC). Also, I would suggest you put one Lictor in Kronos Patrol. Will allow you to cover most of the board T2 for deepest shadow. I’ve brought my force down to two patrols so I don’t have room in my kraken detachment for the termigants… would you say they are worth taking over genesteAlers, it would have to be a choice. |
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Post by piersonsmuppet on Aug 21, 2021 21:13:01 GMT
I’ve brought my force down to two patrols so I don’t have room in my kraken detachment for the termigants… would you say they are worth taking over genesteAlers, it would have to be a choice. Can make the kraken patrol a battalion and have Broodlord be the WL. You aren’t using a WL trait, so it hardly matters which model is the WL except for denying the extra VP in assassinate (which BL will have character protection to make it trickier). |
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(probably just an oversight) and if they agree use the new Synaptic link on your broodlord by either pulling some gaunts or the ripper squad.