2K WarriorZilla

[draaen]

So I have been mulling this army concept over in my mind. I have been running nidzilla for a bit where it is monsters, support characters and a handful of ripper swarms. It doesn't really do secondaries amazingly well. So I am looking to modify the list so that my secondary play is stronger while still having as much as I can be monsters. I am not a fan of stealers and warriors seemed to fit into my current custom hive fleet as they are multi-wound models so any multi-wound damage output put their way is less against my monsters, they have synapse so will get good mileage out of the re-roll and could provide a re-roll for monsters, can perform actions and can be configured to be a back field objective holder/action taker or tooled out to be aggressive and capable of providing close range fire and melee support. So look cool function well and will be a good troop base if I expand the army out further.

Custom Hive Fleet
Synapse Re-roll
Monsters get +1 to hit on charge/charged or heroic intervention

Flyrant - Monstrous rending claws, heavy venom cannon, adrenal glands, wings
Walkrant - Monstrous rending claws, heavy venom cannon, adrenal glands 
Swarmlord - Warlord

2 x 3 Tyranid Warriors - 2 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, 3 x Bone Swords
3 x 3 Tyranid Warriors - 1 Venom Cannon, Scything Talons
2 x Lictor

Exocrine
3 x Toxicrene
2 x Trygon - Adrenal Gland


So this is theory crafting with the warriors but I would put the toxicrenes aggressively at the front. The bonesword warriors and trygons would be also forward deployed. Everything else is a little bit more conservative and protected or on objectives. If someone runs in and engages the toxicrenes the always strike first and acid blood will at least do something. The trygons and toxicrenes being aggressively deployed means they can get a turn 1 charge especially if I go second. 

The venom cannons are the main draw from the warriors. On average they will get 2 shots each hitting on 4's means they on average have one miss. With the synapse re-roll that means they will have essentially 3 shots each. So 15 shots 7 hits, 4-5 wounds vs vehicles and 2-3 make it past a 3+ save for an average of 4-6 damage. It is not great in terms of damage output efficiency for 354 points but it is durable at 45 wounds and has some chaff clearing capability against horde armies in melee and with the deathspitters. Secondaries though raise the banners, deploy scramblers and engage on all fronts seem like secondaries I could take in almost any matchup.

Pretty much my nidzilla list had 3 ripper swarms a broodlord and a tyrannofex. I traded those for 5 warrior squads and a lictor. I still give up a whopping 18 potential points for Bring it Down. But it is a little less guaranteed at least.

What do you guys think?

[afewveiws]

Do you know where your adaptations are going to go yet?

[draaen]

Jul 8, 2021 19:47:17 GMT afewveiws said:

Do you know where your adaptations are going to go yet?

I see three reasonable paths initially. I don't like giving 2/3 toxicrenes a buff just seems unwieldly and like a big invitation of here's your priority target.

Option 1 - Two trygons get either murderous size for voracious appetite efficiency or dermic symbiosis to maybe stick around a bit longer

Option 2 - Flyrant and Exocrine. Exocrine gets dermic symbiosis or synapse and flyrant gets murderour size or voracious appetite to heal wounds. Kind of depends on how much the exocrine needs any additional durability or synapse boost for shooting. I kind of think it won't be necessary for him

Option 3 - Both Tyrants get murderous size or voracious appetite. Monstrous rending claws look mighty reliable at killing primaris with D3+1 damage. Add in some toxin sacks and popping for 5 damage on a 6 to wound vs a vehicle is pretty tasty. On the other hand these guys always take damage and are often a while we stand we fight choice. So the ability to heal a fair few wounds over the course of the game seems pretty valuable too.

To be honest I expect I will need to run multiple tests to see which plays out best. But option 1 or 3 from my previous runs seem to be the front runners at the moment.

[afewveiws]

Yeah that makes sense, was going to suggest beefing up the more upgraded squads to make it worth putting enhanced on them since they wont likely be getting heavy fire power aimed at them and light arms fire would be made practically useless against them with enhanced...
But youd have to move alot around and free up more points then what would be ideal to make it worth it so.... nvm lol

[piersonsmuppet]

I think taking off the DS and BS and giving all but 1 Warrior LW&BS would probably help out more. Would keep opponents from leap-frogging into the Monsters with consolidation moves. DS are only doing 1-2 wounds, then probably soaking damage for the VC. I usually find DS lacking w/o some good volume to even out the BS4+, so output is okay at 5 models and good at 9 models. If you plan on taking the Octarius Data secondary often, I would maybe think about a Pyrovore for your table half. Personally, I don't like the idea of a 15pt gun performing an action instead of shooting... unless it's for the 4th quarter and guaranteed 4VP.

[piersonsmuppet]

I think 2x Size on the Trygons might be the way to go. w/ 5 VC , SL, and Trygons you have decent S8 options, and could possibly trade HVC for 2xDevs on both tyrants to help clear chaff/infantry.

[purestrain]

Jul 8, 2021 16:57:47 GMT draaen said:

So I have been mulling this army concept over in my mind. I have been running nidzilla for a bit where it is monsters, support characters and a handful of ripper swarms. It doesn't really do secondaries amazingly well. So I am looking to modify the list so that my secondary play is stronger while still having as much as I can be monsters. I am not a fan of stealers and warriors seemed to fit into my current custom hive fleet as they are multi-wound models so any multi-wound damage output put their way is less against my monsters, they have synapse so will get good mileage out of the re-roll and could provide a re-roll for monsters, can perform actions and can be configured to be a back field objective holder/action taker or tooled out to be aggressive and capable of providing close range fire and melee support. So look cool function well and will be a good troop base if I expand the army out further.

Custom Hive Fleet
Synapse Re-roll
Monsters get +1 to hit on charge/charged or heroic intervention

Flyrant - Monstrous rending claws, heavy venom cannon, adrenal glands, wings
Walkrant - Monstrous rending claws, heavy venom cannon, adrenal glands 
Swarmlord - Warlord

2 x 3 Tyranid Warriors - 2 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, 3 x Bone Swords
3 x 3 Tyranid Warriors - 1 Venom Cannon, Scything Talons
2 x Lictor

Exocrine
3 x Toxicrene
2 x Trygon - Adrenal Gland


So this is theory crafting with the warriors but I would put the toxicrenes aggressively at the front. The bonesword warriors and trygons would be also forward deployed. Everything else is a little bit more conservative and protected or on objectives. If someone runs in and engages the toxicrenes the always strike first and acid blood will at least do something. The trygons and toxicrenes being aggressively deployed means they can get a turn 1 charge especially if I go second. 

The venom cannons are the main draw from the warriors. On average they will get 2 shots each hitting on 4's means they on average have one miss. With the synapse re-roll that means they will have essentially 3 shots each. So 15 shots 7 hits, 4-5 wounds vs vehicles and 2-3 make it past a 3+ save for an average of 4-6 damage. It is not great in terms of damage output efficiency for 354 points but it is durable at 45 wounds and has some chaff clearing capability against horde armies in melee and with the deathspitters. Secondaries though raise the banners, deploy scramblers and engage on all fronts seem like secondaries I could take in almost any matchup.

Pretty much my nidzilla list had 3 ripper swarms a broodlord and a tyrannofex. I traded those for 5 warrior squads and a lictor. I still give up a whopping 18 potential points for Bring it Down. But it is a little less guaranteed at least.

What do you guys think?

Give your Flyrant Murderous so he can fight tanks on a better scale, and will cut through a lot of things starting at ap-4 and going to ap-7(lol) 

Give you walkrant or exo voracious ammo, unless you are always under anti fire, then dermic the exo. Give the walkrant Pathogenesis, coupled with the Hive fleet trait will allow you to reroll two hits (average shots on the HVC anyhow so its nice) and the one wound from patho boosts it to usually both wounding, making him a decent threat from 40 odd inches out. Warriors are always a good choice if you dont need to give the flyrant the extra hitting power, as enhanced will help that heavy unit withstand heavier guns, coupled with the PA strat for -1 damage and they can take a beating.

[draaen]

So taking into consideration the responses seems like the concerns on the list are on small tweaks vs army concept. So I see two potential paths.

Pyrovore Variant
Flyrant - Monstrous rending claws, heavy venom cannon, adrenal glands, wings - Murderous Size, Resonance Barb
Walkrant - Monstrous rending claws, heavy venom cannon, adrenal glands - Voracious Ammo, Pathogenesis
Swarmlord - Warlord

2 x 3 Tyranid Warriors - 1 Venom Cannon, 1 x Bone Sword and Lash Whip
3 x 3 Tyranid Warriors - 1 Venom Cannon, Scything Talons
2 x Lictor
1 x Pyrovore

Exocrine
3 x Toxicrene
2 x Trygon - Adrenal Gland

So the pyrovore is just a home base action caddy really in this variant and the 5 warrior squads are stripped down to just a venom cannon. 8 Points left over I am able to give the 2 offensive teams lash whips and bone swords in case someone jumps them in combat I can get some swing backs. Pathogenesis and voracious ammo seems like fun on the walkrant and the flyrant is taking murderous size and resonance barb. May want to consider taking toxin sacs and that relic instead for extra pop.

Neurothrope Variant
Neurothrope - Resonance Barb
Flyrant - Monstrous rending claws, heavy venom cannon, adrenal glands, wings - Murderous Size
Walkrant - Monstrous rending claws, heavy venom cannon, adrenal glands - Voracious Ammo, Pathogenesis
Swarmlord - Warlord

2 x 3 Tyranid Warriors - 1 Venom Cannon, 1 x Bone Sword and Lash Whip
2 x 3 Tyranid Warriors - 1 Venom Cannon, Scything Talons
2 x Lictor

Exocrine
3 x Toxicrene
2 x Trygon - Adrenal Gland

Drop a warrior squad strip the 2 "offensive" warrior squads down to venom cannon and bonesword and lash whip. Upside is a neurothrope with a resonance barb. Neuro brings a good support element and an untargatable psyker which I found useful from my broodlord. Would open up psychic secondaries a bit more and add in redundancy to powers and make a key power or multiple key powers for a CP very reliable. Downside is no more cheap action caddy and my infantry units are fewer. Really they were never that numerous in the first place!

[piersonsmuppet]

I like the first list, not a fan of Barb on Neuro instead of Tyrant (introducing another CP need/want to a list w/ only 8 CP) and I like the 2xLictor/1xPyrovore package for secondaries.

If you don't need the added range, Venomthorn Parasite has better output than Pathogenesis w/ the rr 1 failed hit roll fleet trait.

Voracious Ammo is a bit of a waste on a Tyrant if not running Devs, preferably 4x Devs, imo. I think it would definitely see better use on the Exo due to the volume of fire.

I really like how Xenogenic Acid has performed for me, and I think I rate it as our second best generic relic. Could move Barbed to Walkrant (have support powers here) and toss Acid on the Flyrant. I think you will likely see more MW's from Acid with rr 1 failed hit an rr all failed wounds on MRC than extra damage provided by a Venomthorn or Pathogenesis, and even more so if the Tyrant fights in the opponent's fight phase. Acid is fine for 1 CP, but I would not drop 2 CP on it as a 3rd relic.