2k Tournament list

[kreep]

I am in a tournament next month, this is a variant of a fairly succesful army i've been using but with no Swarmlord and devourers in MSU for T3 meta lists. Critique welcome

I tend to take Stranglehold, No Prisoners/Assasinate depending on Map/mission etc


+++ Nids rework (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [104 PL, 10CP, 1,998pts] +++



++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) ++



+ Configuration +



Battle Size: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)



Detachment Command Cost



Hive Fleet: Jormungandr



+ Stratagems +



Bounty of the Hive Fleet: 1 Extra Bio-artefact



Progeny of the Hive



+ HQ +



Hive Tyrant: Adrenal Glands, Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Smite, Power: The Horror, The Venomthorn Parasite, Wings



Hive Tyrant: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Power: Onslaught, Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite, Resonance Barb, Wings



Malanthrope: Warlord



+ Troops +



Termagants

. 10x Termagant (Devourer): 10x Devourer



Termagants

. 10x Termagant (Devourer): 10x Devourer



Termagants

. 10x Termagant (Devourer): 10x Devourer



Tyranid Warriors

. Adaptive Physiology: Dynamic Camouflage

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons



+ Elites +



Hive Guard

. 5x Hive Guard (Impaler): 5x Impaler Cannon



Hive Guard

. 5x Hive Guard (Impaler): 5x Impaler Cannon



+ Fast Attack +



Sky-slasher Swarms

. 3x Sky-slasher Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth



Sky-slasher Swarms

. 3x Sky-slasher Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth



Sky-slasher Swarms

. 3x Sky-slasher Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth



+ Heavy Support +



Barbed Hierodule



Tyrannofex: Acid Spray

. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis



Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

[Freeman]

I quite like it.

Wouldn’t Dermic Symbiosis be better on the Barby as it doesn’t matter too much if the Tfex brackets.

Also I find Enhanced Resistance to be my go to for the warriors rather than camouflage, what’s the thinking here?

[schuwwey]

Jun 25, 2021 23:44:05 GMT Freeman said:

Also I find Enhanced Resistance to be my go to for the warriors rather than camouflage, what’s the thinking here?

The Dynamic Camo pairs well with Jorm Hive Fleet because the pair gives them a +2 to their save as long as they don't advance.

[schuwwey]

Jun 25, 2021 21:46:00 GMT kreep said:

I am in a tournament next month, this is a variant of a fairly succesful army i've been using but with no Swarmlord and devourers in MSU for T3 meta lists. Critique welcome

I tend to take Stranglehold, No Prisoners/Assasinate depending on Map/mission etc


+++ Nids rework (Warhammer 40,000 9th Edition) [104 PL, 10CP, 1,998pts] +++



++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) ++



+ Configuration +



Battle Size: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)



Detachment Command Cost



Hive Fleet: Jormungandr



+ Stratagems +



Bounty of the Hive Fleet: 1 Extra Bio-artefact



Progeny of the Hive



+ HQ +



Hive Tyrant: Adrenal Glands, Heavy Venom Cannon, Monstrous Rending Claws, Power: Catalyst, Power: Smite, Power: The Horror, The Venomthorn Parasite, Wings



Hive Tyrant: 2x Monstrous Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands, Power: Onslaught, Power: Psychic Scream, Power: Smite, Resonance Barb, Wings



Malanthrope: Warlord



+ Troops +



Termagants

. 10x Termagant (Devourer): 10x Devourer



Termagants

. 10x Termagant (Devourer): 10x Devourer



Termagants

. 10x Termagant (Devourer): 10x Devourer



Tyranid Warriors

. Adaptive Physiology: Dynamic Camouflage

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior: 2x Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons

. Tyranid Warrior (Bio-cannon): Barbed Strangler, Scything Talons



+ Elites +



Hive Guard

. 5x Hive Guard (Impaler): 5x Impaler Cannon



Hive Guard

. 5x Hive Guard (Impaler): 5x Impaler Cannon



+ Fast Attack +



Sky-slasher Swarms

. 3x Sky-slasher Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth



Sky-slasher Swarms

. 3x Sky-slasher Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth



Sky-slasher Swarms

. 3x Sky-slasher Swarm: 3x Claws and Teeth



+ Heavy Support +



Barbed Hierodule



Tyrannofex: Acid Spray

. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis



Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

I like the list but am curious what the battlefield purpose of the warrior blob is. They seem melee focused which would imply you want them up the board quick but that is sorta counter intuitive for the Jorm choice.

[piersonsmuppet]

Jun 25, 2021 23:53:43 GMT schuwwey said:

Jun 25, 2021 23:44:05 GMT Freeman said:

Also I find Enhanced Resistance to be my go to for the warriors rather than camouflage, what’s the thinking here?

The Dynamic Camo pairs well with Jorm Hive Fleet because the pair gives them a +2 to their save as long as they don't advance.

I think Freemanmvp was looking for the OP's intent behind taking Dynamic Camouflage over Enhanced Resistance, since ER is generally considered better because it applies to melee attacks as well.

Jun 25, 2021 23:58:50 GMT schuwwey said:

I like the list but am curious what the battlefield purpose of the warrior blob is. They seem melee focused which would imply you want them up the board quick but that is sorta counter intuitive for the Jorm choice.

They look like they sit on a backfield objective, fits with the DC and cannons on them, and provide screening/synapse for the rear. The 2xST is just keeping them cheap as possible, I'd only call Warriors w/ a 2xBS loadout melee oriented.


@op -- I'm curious about the Sky-Slashers, as they don't really make much sense outside of a Leviathan list with SL/GS. Are they there for Primaries and aim for objectives that you plan to shoot the opponent off with HG, or for Engage/Linebreaker? I don't think the movement + fly is worth the loss of obj sec or the INFANTRY keyword, but maybe your experiences can offer me a fresh look.

I'm also not a fan of the BSC on the Warriors. BSC are okay into T3/T4 1W 11+ model units and terrible into anything else, but VC are less okay into the T3/T4 1w 11+ model units and pretty much equal or better into almost everything else. Are the Devgants/Tfex generally not enough for clearing these types of units?

[purestrain]

Barbed Stranglers were the best gun we had when you could stack +1s, attacking a unit of 11 with a prime meant +2 to hit so simbiostorm procced on 4+ and hitting on 2+, rerolling 1's if you didnt move, then add on Enhanced.

But we cant have nice things like that

[piersonsmuppet]

Jun 26, 2021 2:10:58 GMT purestrain said:

Barbed Stranglers were the best gun we had when you could stack +1s, attacking a unit of 11 with a prime meant +2 to hit so simbiostorm procced on 4+ and hitting on 2+, rerolling 1's if you didnt move, then add on Enhanced.

But we cant have nice things like that

Your words have actually spurred some interesting thoughts. I'm considering trying out a Kronos list with 2x9 Warriors in the same config as the OP along with the 2x5 HG. I kind of like the thought of 3 Barbed w/ Symbiostorm for decent 11+ body clear when needed. While the Prime doesn't boost Symbio to a 4+, it would keep the Warriors at a 3+ to-hit and 5+ Symbio even shooting through Dense Terrain or other -1 to-hits. The BS provide an extremely cheap longer-range option compared to Devgants against 11+ GEQs, with 3 Kronos BS w/ Symbio + rr1's having roughly 1/3 the output of 30 Devgants w/ Symbio (no rr1's since prob moved) while being 1/7th the cost (30 vs 210). May not be super competitive, but it looks like a fairly viable option at least.

@op -- I seem some potential in the list to perform well w/ Kronos as the fleet choice, with swapping the Tfex for an Exo. Not sure if better (age old offense vs defense), but could be something worth exploring. In either case, Dermic looks best on the Dule. Even in Jorm, needing 50% more damage to bracket the fire magnet is probably a better use of the physiology.

[No One]

piersonsmuppet said:

The BS provide an extremely cheap longer-range option compared to Devgants against 11+ GEQs, with 3 Kronos BS w/ Symbio + rr1's having roughly 1/3 the output of 30 Devgants w/ Symbio (no rr1's since prob moved) while being 1/7th the cost (30 vs 210).

Assuming max blast and the warrior squad stays still, which...having a troops unit stay stationary all the time is pretty eh, you still get ~50% increase from the devilgants, while only being ~30 pts more expensive. So still more pts efficient. The warriors are more durable against the generic anti-infantry stuff, slightly more than the increase in devilgant output. But more vulnerable to multi-D stuff, good AP/S etc. And 30 bodies has a lovely utility, and also more output in absolute to benefit from double tap (because if you're slapping symbio on them, you're probably wanting to double tap them over the hive guard).

Now, slapping some bio-cannons on a 9 man with ER? Maybe. But while the symbio interaction is nice...what're you really targeting with that? 'Crons and boyz I guess? Gaunts and daemons as well, but don't think they're something to actively tech for. Skitarii are the only other relevant 11+ thing, and their survivability buffs hurt, to the extent that VC can actually be better. I dunno, maybe with the extra pts on VC strangler might beat it, but VC feels better in general, while strangler feels super meh outside of the 11+ tech.


As to list...can't say I'm a fan. Looks to both lack scoring/screening elements and good damage sources, relying basically entirely on the 'dule and hive guard. Which, with no Kronos are just OK really. Jorm seems too static, and doesn't benefit many of the units in your list. Dynamic just fails too often to be good over ER: ignores cover, same/worse -1/-2, fails on advance or charge, fails in combat.

[kreep]

So the idea of the warrior blob is a resilient (cheap) objective holder that can put out semi-reliable shots at range against units of 10+ (+1 to hit against 10 or more, min 3 shots is perfectly acceptable for me) - Hitting on 3's and wounding most things on 3's is good objective cover, if it does get in combat, there are decent number of dice being thrown around in response. You also have the tyrants for back-up as nothing operates completely alone.

I prefer the dermic on the Fex as the Barbed doesn't require the 5++ (1+ save means it is pretty much getting a save of 5+ save against everything thrown at it anyway) and the strength stays high for the spray as well as making him more survivable as he gets closer to the frontline than most (although i tend to strategic reserve)... also the barbed is -1 for thrope most of the time so it has increased durability there too.

Sky slashers have multi function, early obj grabbers for stranglehold OR lane blocking (24-36" move with overdrive and very little chance of losing a model to force morale if out of synapse). The movement is just amazing on these and at 45pts, for me one of the slept on units in the dex. They've been MVP more times than i care to remember.

Enhanced resistance v Camo comes down to higher AP gunfire and as it is the same net value for AP1 - worse for AP2 but better at AP3+ - combined with chitin strat/catalyst/thrope, this unit is a real pain to get off of any objective (i'll often slowly advance to the centre and combine with barbed and thrope

I used to use fleshborers for bodies, but with the current meta the devourers are worth pot shots into smaller units along side the barbs etc to thin body count.