Nids/Cult some tournament results and lists

[N.I.B.]

Bugeater List:
Kronos Super Heavy Aux
Harriden: Dermic Symbiosis

Kraken Patrol:
Broodlord: Catalyst
Broodlord: Onslaught
20 Devourer Gaunts
20 Devourer Gaunts
6 Shockcannon hive guard
Lictor

4 Armed Emperor Patrol
Magus: Warlord, Familiar, Might from Beyond, Mass Hypnosis
20 Handflamer Acolytes
5 Acolytes w/ handflamer on sarge
10 Acolytes w/ 1 mining laser
Kelermorph: Oppressors Bane


ACO List:
Kraken Patrol:
Swarmlord: Onslaught, Paroxysm
Broodlord: Catalyst
25 Devourer Gaunts
30 Devourer Gaunts
6 Shockcannon Hive Guard
Lictor

4 Armed Emperor Patrol:
Magus: Warlord, Familiar (The Crouchling), Might from Beyond, Mass Hypnosis, Mind Control
20 Hand Flamer Acolytes
5 Acolytes w/ handflamer on sargent
10 Neophytes
Kellermorph: Oppressor's Bane


(I think he forgot to put in two Dimachaerons in the ACO list). Pro tip - get the first turn.

[tylertt]

He's been having some decent results with the Harridan. Continues to make me want to get one as it seems like a fun/challenging unit to run effectively.

[purestrain]

I dont get the Harridan, unless he uses the strats to just shut down any psychic tests that suck, he also doesnt get the hive fleet trait, and costs 2 more cp, but seemingly worth it.

[purestrain]

Also, are you allowed to gain an AP if you're warlord isnt a Tyranids Character? I mean technically a Magus is a Tyranid Character, but it seems janky that way.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

Jun 18, 2021 16:27:34 GMT purestrain said:

Also, are you allowed to gain an AP if you're warlord isnt a Tyranids Character? I mean technically a Magus is a Tyranid Character, but it seems janky that way.

You can use progeny of the hive fleet regardless of who your warlord is.

[purestrain]

Jun 18, 2021 16:32:03 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Jun 18, 2021 16:27:34 GMT purestrain said:

Also, are you allowed to gain an AP if you're warlord isnt a Tyranids Character? I mean technically a Magus is a Tyranid Character, but it seems janky that way.

You can use progeny of the hive fleet regardless of who your warlord is.

Yes, indeed. But that means 6/12 CP before the game starts, yikes. 

[conquest]

Jun 18, 2021 16:36:27 GMT purestrain said:

Jun 18, 2021 16:32:03 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

You can use progeny of the hive fleet regardless of who your warlord is.

Yes, indeed. But that means 6/12 CP before the game starts, yikes. 

His broodlords can generate more, provided he makes combat,probs why he got 2. As long as you have 3 in the pocket for 'vect'. You always get 1cp a turn. So he probably sits at 4cp a lot. Using the 2cp to drop his kelermorph or just buff his harridan with pathogenic slime (both 2cp).

[arsonfire]

Jun 19, 2021 23:02:35 GMT conquest said:

Jun 18, 2021 16:36:27 GMT purestrain said:

Yes, indeed. But that means 6/12 CP before the game starts, yikes. 

His broodlords can generate more, provided he makes combat,probs why he got 2. As long as you have 3 in the pocket for 'vect'. You always get 1cp a turn. So he probably sits at 4cp a lot. Using the 2cp to drop his kelermorph or just buff his harridan with pathogenic slime (both 2cp).

Broodlords generating CP?
The Feeder Tendrils stratagem doesn't work on broodlords if that's what you're referring to.

[conquest]

Jun 19, 2021 23:15:14 GMT arsonfire said:

Jun 19, 2021 23:02:35 GMT conquest said:

His broodlords can generate more, provided he makes combat,probs why he got 2. As long as you have 3 in the pocket for 'vect'. You always get 1cp a turn. So he probably sits at 4cp a lot. Using the 2cp to drop his kelermorph or just buff his harridan with pathogenic slime (both 2cp).

Broodlords generating CP?
The Feeder Tendrils stratagem doesn't work on broodlords if that's what you're referring to.

Broodlord has <Genestealer> Keyword?

[arsonfire]

Jun 20, 2021 0:26:13 GMT conquest said:

Jun 19, 2021 23:15:14 GMT arsonfire said:

Broodlords generating CP?
The Feeder Tendrils stratagem doesn't work on broodlords if that's what you're referring to.

Broodlord has <Genestealer> Keyword?

Yeah, but the stratagem doesn't use the Genestealer keyword.

Compare it to the word Lictor next to it. Lictor is being used as a keyword here, but Genestealer is not.


I believe GW wrote it this way because they have never released a broodlord sculpt that was modelled with feeder tendrils. It was an option for them way back in 4th edition, then later on they phased out wargear options that don't have model support.

[conquest]

Jun 20, 2021 1:18:17 GMT arsonfire said:

Jun 20, 2021 0:26:13 GMT conquest said:

Broodlord has <Genestealer> Keyword?

Yeah, but the stratagem doesn't use the Genestealer keyword.

Compare it to the word Lictor next to it. Lictor is being used as a keyword here, but Genestealer is not.


I believe GW wrote it this way because they have never released a broodlord sculpt that was modelled with feeder tendrils. It was an option for them way back in 4th edition, then later on they phased out wargear options that don't have model support.

Ah, I have wondered that myself, however look at the other words; that would imply toxicrenes and venomthropes cant benefit from it; they are the only models with that keyword in the codex and neither are bold. Your reasoning that it would only mean a genestealer unit and not the broodlord also implies Deathleaper cant use the ability, even though it has the lictor keyword it is not a lictor unit. I think thats a typo for the lictor to be in bold and none of the others, I've always played broodlords like this and have even discussed the stratagem with my local TOs and they didnt see a problem either. There are no FAQs for it and it kinda just sounds like the "can old one eye buff himself?" Debate. Albeit this one comes up a whole lot less.

[No One]

...There is no debate. It's not a Keyword, it doesn't work based on Keyword. It's a genestealer unit, toxicrene unit, venomthrope unit, or <Lictor> Keyword i.e. lictor unit or Deathleaper.

Does OOE buff himself was answered when they released an Errata to change his rule to a Keyword way back in 8th, I don't know why we're having this discussion now.

[conquest]

Jun 20, 2021 14:57:52 GMT No One said:

...There is no debate. It's not a Keyword, it doesn't work based on Keyword. It's a genestealer unit, toxicrene unit, venomthrope unit, or <Lictor> Keyword i.e. lictor unit or Deathleaper.

Does OOE buff himself was answered when they released an Errata to change his rule to a Keyword way back in 8th, I don't know why we're having this discussion now.

Well we are talking strategies of his list and he has two broodlords, it seems pretty contrived; to act like this was brought up out of nowhere.

As to the stratagem, if you look in the Tyranid Codex FAQ, there is no ruling on this, however there is a Q&A about using implant attack stratagem to activate feeder tendrils and in the Question it shows all the units in BOLD text, not just the lictor. Im not trying to read between the lines, im just saying that would imply they are using the GENESTEALER keyword, which Broodlord has the GENESTEALER keyword as well. Just is the case for Deathleaper. He has DEATHLEAPER and LICTOR for keywords so he benefits from anything a LICTOR could benefit from.

I would post the Q&A im referring to, but im on mobile and dont know how to.

[conquest]

Aside from the broodlords though. I like the kraken shockguard with onslaught.

[yoritomo]

That argument would be good if they didn’t use the LICTOR keyword in the stratagem. If they wanted to “imply” that the genestealer was a keyword then they would have just put genestealer as a keyword.

Now, if you wanted to argue that leaving the broodlord off of feeder tendrils was an oversight, I’d buy that. But that complaint needs to be brought up to GW so that it can be changed in an FAQ.