2000pt competitive Kronos

[dmt]

Hello swarms. After a couple of tournament I think this is the best shooting list possible:

++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [103 PL, 11CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Hive Fleet: Kronos

+ Stratagems +

Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Broodlord [7 PL, 125pts]: Power: Paroxysm, Power: Smite, Resonance Barb, Warlord

Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Symbiostorm

The Swarmlord [14 PL, 270pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Onslaught, Power: Smite

+ Troops +

Hormagaunts [9 PL, 126pts]
. 21x Hormagaunt: 21x Scything Talons

Hormagaunts [3 PL, 60pts]
. 10x Hormagaunt: 10x Scything Talons

Hormagaunts [3 PL, 60pts]
. 10x Hormagaunt: 10x Scything Talons

Termagants [9 PL, 147pts]
. 21x Termagant (Devourer): 21x Devourer

Termagants [6 PL, 140pts]
. 20x Termagant (Devourer): 20x Devourer

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]
. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon

Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]
. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon

Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Raveners [3 PL, 60pts]
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons

+ Heavy Support +

Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis

Exocrine [9 PL, 170pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis

Plan is easy. Hormagaunts to screen gun line and grab objective, termagants as light infantry killer, Broodlord and Swarmlord as counterpunch units, Raveners and Lictor as secondary objective scoring units. I spent 2 words about Raveners, they are great as roadrunners and "fatality"😂, 15 attacks can kill a single marine like model or some guardsmen like models and can complete actions. Let me know your thoughts, ty

[acehilator]

Would be better to run just the long range shooty stuff in a Kronos Patrol and put everything else in a Jorm/Levi Battalion. Getting a Hive Fleet trait that actually does something is easily worth the 2CP.

[purestrain]

May 5, 2021 17:34:38 GMT acehilator said:

Would be better to run just the long range shooty stuff in a Kronos Patrol and put everything else in a Jorm/Levi Battalion. Getting a Hive Fleet trait that actually does something is easily worth the 2CP.

1cp progeny, 2cp for the cheaper FOC

2cp double shoot, 1cp deepest shadow, probably a reroll or maybe two during their turn. down to 4 cp. can do two more things, three at max before you run out of cp. shes hungry these days

Thats also not including if you bring maleceptor and use its 2cp strat.

[piersonsmuppet]

Why not just a second Lictor instead of Raveners? A lictor is more likely to kill a lone MEQ model, is easier to hide, is more difficult to screen, and comes with a strat to turn off over watch. For that matter, why not take 1 Lictor and 3 Rippers instead of 3 Raveners (cost is easily balanced by taking both 21-man units to 20-man)? There is a lot of explanation missing about why this is the best, no reasons to your unit choices over what is normally seen. Why the extra Neuro when the Broodlord is acting as counter-punch? Normally the Neuro fills the HQ tax of the patrol, but it isn't required here. I not sold on the 95pts being worth only another smite and second power, especially when there is another body that can hold Symbiostorm.

[dmt]

May 5, 2021 18:48:57 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Why not just a second Lictor instead of Raveners? A lictor is more likely to kill a lone MEQ model, is easier to hide, is more difficult to screen, and comes with a strat to turn off over watch. For that matter, why not take 1 Lictor and 3 Rippers instead of 3 Raveners (cost is easily balanced by taking both 21-man units to 20-man)? There is a lot of explanation missing about why this is the best, no reasons to your unit choices over what is normally seen. Why the extra Neuro when the Broodlord is acting as counter-punch? Normally the Neuro fills the HQ tax of the patrol, but it isn't required here. I not sold on the 95pts being worth only another smite and second power, especially when there is another body that can hold Symbiostorm.

Well, I tried 2 x 3 Raveners and in 2 turn they reached enemy deployment zone from middle, killed 1 intercessor each on enemy deployment zone objective, raised banners and gave me victory. A Lictor can't kill a single intercessor pretty easy, can't move 12, just my experience and I always played with 2 Lictor. About neurothrope, you could be right but I need symbiostorm power on a synapse unit and, if I keep Broodlord on 12" inches range from gun units, I can't use it to support with CaC support and synapse Gaunts. 3 synapse units are needed to avoid leadership trouble but I could try your suggestion in next try😊

[piersonsmuppet]

A Lictor statistically deals 2.21 damage to an intercessor, 3 Raveners base only clock a statistical 1.95 damage. More times than not Raveners will fail to kill that lone intercessor, and not be able to contest the point because they lack obj sec. Not saying your experience doesn’t show some merit, but paying more points for less effective outcomes is not usually going to be persuasive (especially when using single instance examples). 12” Mv is certainly unique among tyranid infantry, and could be a key piece to running a single Kronos battalion. However, they directly compete with Horms/Wars, and both are quite strong.

[zimko]

Lictors have a 10" move as well, which is more than sufficient to arrive for mid-board scramblers and then move into enemy deployment zone on following turn for enemy scramblers if given the opportunity. Raveners only gain you 2 extra inches from a Lictor.

[TheDeepestShadow]

May 6, 2021 12:48:23 GMT zimko said:

Lictors have a 10" move as well, which is more than sufficient to arrive for mid-board scramblers and then move into enemy deployment zone on following turn for enemy scramblers if given the opportunity. Raveners only gain you 2 extra inches from a Lictor.

Actually 9" movement for the Lictor, but your point stands as this is plenty for scrambler duty.

[purestrain]

May 6, 2021 3:28:14 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

A Lictor statistically deals 2.21 damage to an intercessor, 3 Raveners base only clock a statistical 1.95 damage. More times than not Raveners will fail to kill that lone intercessor, and not be able to contest the point because they lack obj sec. Not saying your experience doesn’t show some merit, but paying more points for less effective outcomes is not usually going to be persuasive (especially when using single instance examples). 12” Mv is certainly unique among tyranid infantry, and could be a key piece to running a single Kronos battalion. However, they directly compete with Horms/Wars, and both are quite strong.

Was that theory using rending claws or double talons? with or without shooting?

Ravs can move 12" And go ahead and overwatch them, waste it so my other stuff can get it without issue.

Same save in melee and the lictor being stronger wont matter for transhuman, so its just the 2d from his talons that get him over the top.

Then they all die? or does the lictor die and 2/3 ravs or wut? Im just trying to be clear here since I have a few of each and using them is always nice

[piersonsmuppet]

May 6, 2021 17:22:31 GMT purestrain said:

May 6, 2021 3:28:14 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

A Lictor statistically deals 2.21 damage to an intercessor, 3 Raveners base only clock a statistical 1.95 damage. More times than not Raveners will fail to kill that lone intercessor, and not be able to contest the point because they lack obj sec. Not saying your experience doesn’t show some merit, but paying more points for less effective outcomes is not usually going to be persuasive (especially when using single instance examples). 12” Mv is certainly unique among tyranid infantry, and could be a key piece to running a single Kronos battalion. However, they directly compete with Horms/Wars, and both are quite strong.

Was that theory using rending claws or double talons? with or without shooting?

Ravs can move 12" And go ahead and overwatch them, waste it so my other stuff can get it without issue.

Same save in melee and the lictor being stronger wont matter for transhuman, so its just the 2d from his talons that get him over the top.

Then they all die? or does the lictor die and 2/3 ravs or wut? Im just trying to be clear here since I have a few of each and using them is always nice

It was using the OP's loadout of stock double talons, "3 Raveners base" -> "3 Raveners stock" might've been better wording. Rending claws boosts the Raveners over a Lictor, but still barely 1 Intercessor.

You do bring up a good point for Ravener's being overwatch bait, but they aren't necessarily better than the Lictor at it. More likely depends on the opponent's play to determine which is "better". Lictors to have the capability to fallback and charge outside of Kraken, and can shut off overwatch (prob not worth except for +1" to charge). 1 CP for 8" re-rollable charge and saving the CP re-roll for the combat unit probably makes Lictors better if you can DS nearby, otherwise Raveners may be the better take.

Transhuman does make the Lictor worse than the Raveners, but OP didn't mention it so I hadn't considered it. Definitely could have affected the outcome if a Lictor was used instead.

I don't think anything in the comparison dies to 1 intercessor (the OP's example of Ravener use), and either is a waste if more than 1 intercessor as the opponent will probably still hold the point from Obj Sec. Better to move an Obj Sec body to the Obj IMO. I usually just let the Lictor sit for Engage/Linebreaker points, too many things can kill it on the swing-back. Might give the Raveners the upper-hand honestly, they can survive a little punishment from tying up models and still live to score EoT secondaries.

[zimko]

Anyone willing to transhuman against a Lictor is just wasting CP. That shouldn't even be an argument. I will happily sacriface my 37 point Lictor if it means my opponent uses 2 CP. lol.

[piersonsmuppet]

May 6, 2021 19:12:54 GMT zimko said:

Anyone willing to transhuman against a Lictor is just wasting CP. That shouldn't even be an argument. I will happily sacriface my 37 point Lictor if it means my opponent uses 2 CP. lol.

If its the difference between holding the Obj or not, 1 CP is a small price to pay to try and prevent losing 5-10 VP in your upcoming Command Phase. Possible it comes back to bite, but breaking parity in primaries doesn't hurt your chances. Does anyone ever run Primaris Troops holding Obj as anything more than 5? The scenario here was a Lictor charging 1 Primaris model, not it charging 6+. A Lictor can't even kill that many models, so yes Transhuman will be a waste (I doubt anyone would charge a Lictor alone into that many models anyway).