2k Objective this

[zimko]

This is a wild idea. What if we played a strong 'while we stand' and 'engage' kronos patrol with a 'gant carpet' custom fleet battalion.

Battalion: Custom Fleet: 6++ on gants and reroll advance
- Broodlord: Warlord: Psychic Scream, Res Barb
- Broodlord: Onslaught
- 23 Horms
- 10 Horms
- 10 Horms
- 30 Devgants
- 30 Devgants
- Lictor
- Lictor
Patrol: Kronos
- Nuerothrope: Symbiostorm
- 3 Rippers
- 3 Rippers
- 3 Rippers
- 6 Hive Guard: Enhanced Resistance
- 5 Zoanthropes: Catalyst
- Barbed Hierodule: Dermic Symbiosis

Secondary Objective Strategy:
- While We Stand We Fight: Zoanthropes, Barbed Hierodule, Hive Guard
- Engage on All Fronts/Line Breaker: 3 units of Rippers and 2 Lictors. Metabolic Overdrive Hormagaunts. Optional reserves for Devgants
- Scramblers/Banners: Lictors and Horms
Primary: Hive Guard, Hierodule, Zoanthropes and Broodlords all work together to clear objectives. Gants and Horms hold 2+.

[bestaltan]

I have a tournament in a couple weeks, and I’m playing around with a similar list. I like the power of two devilgaunt units, especially when they are in reserve and coupled with the lictor strat. It puts their guns exactly where you need them.

[zimko]

I'm going to play this list against my teammate on Saturday and we'll stream it. He plays competitive Drukhari.

www.youtube.com/channel/UC57-KACDoQmBPsDS-H4Jqlg

[bestaltan]

Ugh. Good luck. I think Drukhari are just a hard matchup for us at a competitive level.

[hiveoverall]

Apr 28, 2021 17:01:29 GMT zimko said:

I'm going to play this list against my teammate on Saturday and we'll stream it. He plays competitive Drukhari.

www.youtube.com/channel/UC57-KACDoQmBPsDS-H4Jqlg

Don't reserve any of the two devilgaunt broods against drukha, in case he goes first, is I guess the best option IMHO, what do you think ?

I think this list can actually beat druk ! Good luck !!

[zimko]

In my experience, I should still reserve at least 1 squad. Their vehicles can move a very long distance and charge the devgants or hive guard, silencing their guns. My horms can probably sufficiently screen 1 devgant unit and the hive guard, but probably not all 3. The other can arrive after I've popped a few transports or after they have deployed. There's no drawback to strategic reserves since I don't need to worry about the 9" distance from enemies inside my own deployment zone.

[kazetanade]

I'm not worried about DE silencing guns in general - I'm worried about them taking things hostage with autolose roll off to fall back (thankfully not reachable on turn 1), and deny overwatch on the charging unit. On that basis I think its actually bad for them to hit a thick blob, and you're much better off hitting things that are just gonna die right off.

Edit: meaning, starting them on the board is bad news.

[zimko]

So we played. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIL--uXAy1A&ab_channel=WetWildAndWarpy

I lost 85 to 70. Zoanthropes as usual just feel like they don't pull their weight. They're resilient sure, but they can't hold objectives vs obsec and their damage is mediocre for 250 pts.

Devgants were good. One unit held an objective for a very long time. The other killed some stuff.

The Barbed Hierodule is still performing well for me. He absorbs a decent amount of damage and his damage output is consistent.

Sadly my warlord broodlord rolled double 1s for both his powers on turn 2, and dealt 6 damage to himself. That was just dumb luck. His damage would have been great in this game but he just killed himself instead.

All in all, I think if the dice had swung my way on a few rolls I could have made it a closer game. But I just didn't feel like some of the unit choices like Zoanthropes was worthwhile. I'm going to stick with my usual list for the Maryland Open.

[piersonsmuppet]

I think WWSWF isnt good when taking Zoans. They need to be played aggressively and expendable, since they cant hold obj (vs obj sec) and dont do much damage. Granted, they are also at their worst against armies with transports, so they started from a pretty weak position in this game. Dimas definitely seem like they would be a better solution to a heavy DE field.

[zimko]

I didnt take While We Stand in this game, and I was aggressive with the zoans. I took Grind them Down instead, but that turned out to only get me 3 points thanks to having so many Rippers and my broodlord killing himself on turn 2.

[piersonsmuppet]

May 2, 2021 15:21:47 GMT zimko said:

I didnt take While We Stand in this game, and I was aggressive with the zoans. I took Grind them Down instead, but that turned out to only get me 3 points thanks to having so many Rippers and my broodlord killing himself on turn 2.

That’s what I get for watching on mute! Why not take the mission secondary for Priority Target? Hive guard could've pulled double duty, shooting and scoring VP's for once. I don't like Grind for the same reason I'm not a big fan of WWSWF; both force a certain playstyle on the army that may not be conducive to winning when they are not hard baked into the list/game-plan.

[hiveoverall]

May 2, 2021 6:37:59 GMT zimko said:

So we played. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIL--uXAy1A&ab_channel=WetWildAndWarpy

I lost 85 to 70. Zoanthropes as usual just feel like they don't pull their weight. They're resilient sure, but they can't hold objectives vs obsec and their damage is mediocre for 250 pts.

Devgants were good. One unit held an objective for a very long time. The other killed some stuff.

The Barbed Hierodule is still performing well for me. He absorbs a decent amount of damage and his damage output is consistent.

Sadly my warlord broodlord rolled double 1s for both his powers on turn 2, and dealt 6 damage to himself. That was just dumb luck. His damage would have been great in this game but he just killed himself instead.

All in all, I think if the dice had swung my way on a few rolls I could have made it a closer game. But I just didn't feel like some of the unit choices like Zoanthropes was worthwhile. I'm going to stick with my usual list for the Maryland Open.

GG that is a good score against the brokenly good druk. I agree on the zoanthrope front, I demolished a zoey list last week with an ork "buggy and dredd" list. They are just so expensive, they will work only against very "elite" lists with stuff like 2+ saves and an invul, where each wound costs a lot of points. My opponent is very good, probably one of the 20 top french players actually, and had quite a few good rolls too to boot. Like, not one single zoey smite failed in all the game (when I play zoeys this happens a quite few times per game, so frustrating...)

The current meta is very light on psykers able to countering the zoey smites, which should be a good reason to field them. Yet they are indeed so very week in terms of output... Opponents just have to kill all but three of them and they don't do much anymore, which is for example what I did to one of the two units of 6 I faced. 600 points of... Not that much really when you know how to play around them.

Also, I fed them grots twice (priceless 40k that, when a 300 point unit is doing its thing on 5 point models)