Help With Chaos chaincannons

[barolde]

Bout ye all

I'm a long time player of the nids and have followed this foum for a while (lurking in true genestealer fashion). I'm hoping you fine people can help with a problem. My long time friend and opponent is a chaos sm player and his stock list always includes 4 reaper chaincannon marines. This along with the (please do not swear) strategem Veterans of the long war and Delightful Agonies (can shoot twice) means these hoors wipe out 2 units a turn.

Btw he always puts them in a rhino to protect them from fisrt turn shooting

I can kill them, but it usually takes a huge amount of resources to do so. This sets my game plan back so much that I end up reacting instead of directing the game and its always an uphill battle.

Being a long time player means I have all of the tools at our disposal (apart from pyrovores, (please do not swear) finecast) so any tips that you guys have would be useful.

cheers

[purestrain]

Apr 25, 2021 20:42:18 GMT barolde said:

Bout ye all

I'm a long time player of the nids and have followed this foum for a while (lurking in true genestealer fashion). I'm hoping you fine people can help with a problem. My long time friend and opponent is a chaos sm player and his stock list always includes 4 reaper chaincannon marines. This along with the (please do not swear) strategem Veterans of the long war and Delightful Agonies (can shoot twice) means these hoors wipe out 2 units a turn.

Btw he always puts them in a rhino to protect them from fisrt turn shooting

I can kill them, but it usually takes a huge amount of resources to do so. This sets my game plan back so much that I end up reacting instead of directing the game and its always an uphill battle.

Being a long time player means I have all of the tools at our disposal (apart from pyrovores, (please do not swear) finecast) so any tips that you guys have would be useful.

cheers

Exocrines or double shooting devil blob/impaler guard

[wormlord666]

Sounds like HiveGuards/expcrins in Kronos with symbiostorm would be useful (as always).
Otherwise if you play more ”hordy” I suppose roadblocking and keeping them in tarpitted is an option.

I find the question: ” Shall I kill it or play around it and focus on the rest” is a good question to start with when faced with a tough unit. The answer leads you to the next step.
If you want to kill it, go longrange with HG and exo for example.

[kazetanade]

It is always funny to use a vehicle as a trap - wrap it with a horde unit, so that people can't disembark, and the vehicle can't fallback without spending cp for desperate breakout. I've won games by denying the enemy both their primary and denying them the opportunity to deny my primary like this (because who wants to deal with 10 obsec spilling out of the box onto the objective you're holding... on your turn...)

You can also pop the tank and then charge whats inside. I'm guessing your main issue is that you only have 1 gun unit, hence why it become an issue.

[dranzyl]

I guess you should consider posting what units you include in your list (perhaps even what units you have available). So it is easier for people to offer more precise advise.

[zimko]

Apr 26, 2021 8:42:03 GMT kazetanade said:

It is always funny to use a vehicle as a trap - wrap it with a horde unit, so that people can't disembark, and the vehicle can't fallback without spending cp for desperate breakout. I've won games by denying the enemy both their primary and denying them the opportunity to deny my primary like this (because who wants to deal with 10 obsec spilling out of the box onto the objective you're holding... on your turn...)

You can also pop the tank and then charge whats inside. I'm guessing your main issue is that you only have 1 gun unit, hence why it become an issue.

Disembarking 6" is only 1 CP. It's not that bad. I've yet to kill models with wrapping in 9th.

[kazetanade]

I've not killed any models either - just wrap it and not let them get out for free. Emergency Disembark is when the transport is destroyed i think? So if the transport lives, they can't do it, can't disembark within 3", so they're forced to desperate breakout to get out of that situation. That's cp you're forcing people to spend and 1 extra turn of doing nothing.

[zimko]

True, I think I'm just used to all transports I deal with on a regular basis being Raiders or Venoms... so with fly and 1 CP they can fall back and shoot just fine.

[niiai]

Apr 26, 2021 16:58:41 GMT kazetanade said:

I've not killed any models either - just wrap it and not let them get out for free. Emergency Disembark is when the transport is destroyed i think? So if the transport lives, they can't do it, can't disembark within 3", so they're forced to desperate breakout to get out of that situation. That's cp you're forcing people to spend and 1 extra turn of doing nothing.

Yes. You can only emergency disembark when it is destroyed. You can only desperat breakout when you are in melee. Still, quite difficult to wrap a transport though. I suppose gargoyles could do it, or something with Swarmlord.

[kazetanade]

The last time I did it was with 2x5 units of necron wraiths on a raider - he happened to have been on an objective I wanted, so in they went and begins the awkward pile in conso dance we know and love. I had to make sure I didn't accidentally kill it and let him spill out 10 obsec true born for free vp.

However, Hormagants can do this just as easily, as can any other swarm unit that gets a good chunk of movement from SL or OA/Onslaught or just in the right place at the right time. Hormagants in particular with that 6" 6" is just gravy- 12" free movement is noice.

[kazetanade]

Apr 26, 2021 17:53:28 GMT zimko said:

True, I think I'm just used to all transports I deal with on a regular basis being Raiders or Venoms... so with fly and 1 CP they can fall back and shoot just fine.

Yea, they can - the guys inside can't, because they're counted as having fell back like the vehicle, and the fallback shoot strategem affects the vehicle, not the passengers (who cannot be affected by rules like auras and strategems because they are not on the table). For raiders and venom, its usually the contents that are scary, not the vehicle, so I don't really care if they fallback and shoot.

[barolde]

Thanks gents!

The usual hive guard and exocrines didn't appeal to me as it is the obvious answer. I have pretty much every unit (minus pyrovores cause (please do not swear) finecast pish). The wrapping the tank with gaunts sounds fun so I'll give that a go.

We play non-competitive, beer and crisp nights so I dont want to cheese the game.

What are your opinions on the FW stuff. I have each of the big guys, but are they OP or fine for casual play?

[kazetanade]

They're pretty decent right now and can hang with the ups.

If HG is cheesing it for you, then these are about the same level of impact.