Leaper Killer

[dc0315]

Many say leaper killer is better than the fly keyword.

Question:- If you move through a terrain feature(forest) with dense cover, do you take the -2 to the move/advance/charge?

TIA.

[zimko]

I'd say yes, they still must take -2 to move. The Leaper Killer rule doesn't say they ignore the terrain's rules. They simply are allowed to move through it.

[kazetanade]

you take the -2.

Difficult Ground is the one time where Leaper-Killer is not better than FLY. It is strictly better in most other scenarios.

[dc0315]

Mar 4, 2021 20:17:37 GMT kazetanade said:

you take the -2.

Difficult Ground is the one time where Leaper-Killer is not better than FLY. It is strictly better in most other scenarios.

Ok but can you name some? As in most cases o find it basically the same unless im missing something. Thanks

[zimko]

There are certain weapons that gain benefits like +1 to hit when shooting at units with the 'Fly' keyword.

Also, you can't use the Kraken stratagem for doubling the advance roll on a unit with 'Fly'.

[kazetanade]

Mar 4, 2021 20:36:49 GMT dc0315 said:

Mar 4, 2021 20:17:37 GMT kazetanade said:

you take the -2.

Difficult Ground is the one time where Leaper-Killer is not better than FLY. It is strictly better in most other scenarios.

Ok but can you name some? As in most cases o find it basically the same unless im missing something. Thanks

Its got the advantages of FLY in the move phase, can still bypass terrain and models in the charge phase (FLY cannot bypass terrain anymore), is not susceptible to things with anti FLY, can benefit from Krakens double advance. Its the same but with more perks, I call that strictly better.

[No One]

I'd say there's more anti-non Fly than anti-Fly around, with stuff like tanglefoot, seekers and probably a bunch of stuff I'm forgetting (while the last time I think I was hit by anti-Fly was back in 8th). Also charging Fliers: I'd definitely prefer Fly over move like Fly without Fly. But dima gets to move over terrain with charge as well, which is a pretty big advantage and outweighs the generally fairly niche differences between Fly and Fly-like-movement.

[tomcaet]

Anti-FLY weapons seem to gradually become anti-AIRCRAFT ones, so that advantage will probably diminish over new codexes. Without FLY you also can't smack Airborne out of the sky, but that is indeed niche.

[deedus]

Mar 4, 2021 20:17:37 GMT kazetanade said:

you take the -2.

Difficult Ground is the one time where Leaper-Killer is not better than FLY. It is strictly better in most other scenarios.

Which, imo, doesn't make sense, since he should be able to jump over it without touching it and getting the penalty.

[wormlord666]

Mar 4, 2021 20:36:49 GMT dc0315 said:

Mar 4, 2021 20:17:37 GMT kazetanade said:

you take the -2.

Difficult Ground is the one time where Leaper-Killer is not better than FLY. It is strictly better in most other scenarios.

Ok but can you name some? As in most cases o find it basically the same unless im missing something. Thanks

It can make chargemove over terrain.